Building Code Review Board
Regular MeetingArlington Heights, IL · August 3, 2017
Agenda
Agenda
Village of Arlington Heights
Building Code Review Board
Commissions Room
33 S. Arlington Heights Rd., AH 60005
August 3, 2017
7:00 PM
I. CALL TO ORDER
II. ROLL CALL
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. Approval of May 30, 2017 Minutes
IV. REPORTS
V. OLD BUSINESS
VI. NEW BUSINESS
A. Variance request from Section 9 of Chapter 23 of the Arlington
Heights Municipal Code at 401 S. Evergreen Ave.
VII. OTHER BUSINESS
VIII.ADJOURNMENT
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Item: Approval of May 30, 2017 Minutes
Department: Building & Life Safety
ATTACHMENTS:
Description Type
Minutes of May 30, 2017 Minutes
DRAFT
BUILDING CODE REVIEW BOARD
MINUTES OF A MEETING BEFORE THE
VILLAGE OF ARLINGTON HEIGHTS
BUILDING CODE REVIEW BOARD
May 30, 2017
MEMBERS PRESENT: ADMINISTRATION PRESENT:
Carl Baldassarra Steven Touloumis, Director of Building Services
Jim Tinaglia (Trustee) Charley Craig, Assistant Building Official
Scott Smith Bernie Lyons, Deputy Fire Chief
Patty LeVee, Recording Secretary
OTHERS PRESENT:
Bonnie and Chuck Gerstung
Charlie Gerstung (son)
Keith Ginnodo, Kingsley & Ginnodo Architects
Kennedy McKay
SUBJECT: Continuance of May 11, 2017 meeting seeking a variance from Chapter 23,
Section R305.1 of the Arlington Heights Municipal Code for 610 E. Maude Avenue for a
ceiling height variance in their basement.
There being a quorum present, acting Chair Scott Smith called the meeting to order at
6:40pm. All stood for the Pledge of Allegiance.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
CARL BALDASSARRA MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 11,
2017 MEETING, SECONDED BY SCOTT SMITH, THE MOTION PASSED
UNANIMOUSLY.
OLD BUSINESS
Mr. Charlie Gerstung described their situation of needing additional space for himself
and his four children now living with his parents. He stated that with the ceiling height
requirement, the Village code is 8 feet, the IRC (International Residential Code) is 7 feet
and they are a couple inches below. Their architect provided some options to try to
mitigate and come up with a safe environment for the room in the basement. (See
Exhibit A).
Mr. Charlie Gerstung said that already included in the drawing is new smoke and
smoke/CO detectors that would be interconnected with the existing smoke/CO detector
located in the first floor hallway. There would be two new locations, one inside the
bedroom and one in the hallway outside of the bedroom. This would be hardwired into
the existing.
Mr. Charlie Gerstung said currently the upstairs bedrooms do not have smoke
detectors and they thought it would be a good idea to add wireless to connect into the
system. This would be in all of the upstairs bedrooms, allowing additional safety for
both downstairs and upstairs. The next option would be to install a fire rated door on
the new bedroom; steel frame, self-closing hinges and 20 minute fire rated door.
Another option would be a fire rated interior partition in between the new bathroom and
the new bedroom. There is a post there and they are planning to make a fire partition to
aide in the safety of the bedroom. They would dry wall both sides of the wall on the
bedroom side, along with dry walling the bathroom, which is another measure of safety.
They will be using Type X drywall, which is a fire rated drywall, as well as caulking the
seams to prevent smoke from getting in. The drywall of the ceiling of the basement
bedroom would be Type C drywall, which is fire rated beyond the Type X. Both drywalls
would be 5/8” and all can lights would be “Air-Tite”.
Mr. Baldassarra mentioned the acoustical sealant on the memo provided to them. Mr.
Ginnodo stated an acoustical sealant is not a fire rated sealant, the UL listing generally
states to bring the wall up to the type of structure and acoustical sealant is enough to
keep smoke from getting through.
Mr. Charlie Gerstung stated they were asked to include an option for the fire dampers
on duct penetration. In discussion with their contractor, the contractor was very hesitant
on going that route but they did include it as something to be discussed. Their hope
would be not to need to do all of the options listed being that they are maybe 1 ½” below
the IRC Code.
Mr. Touloumis stated that there is mention of only being 1½” below the number, yet the
submitted plans still say 6’ 9”. We need to go by what is on the drawings. Is there
potential that the reality is different than what is on the drawings from the height
standpoint? Mr. Charlie Gerstung said that with the ceiling it would be 6’ 10”. Mr.
Ginnodo said it would be something they could indicate on their drawings.
Mr. Charlie Gerstung said this was discussed with their architect (wife of Mr. Ginnodo)
prior, and she was willing to sign a letter. Mr. Lyons noted it is still 15” short of the
amended code.
Mr. Baldassarra cited the meeting minutes of May 11th as stating the plan indicates 6’
9” and Ms. Gerstung said it was slightly higher than 6’ 10”, the architect will verify. Ms.
Gerstung reiterated that when she spoke to their architect she was told they would
verify.
Mr. Ginnodo said that the 6’ 9” is a figure that is comfortable because it will account for
floor finish above the existing slab and with a carpet pad down it will take up some
space. The 6’ 9” is a number that they are comfortable stamping because it will
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definitely work. If it is a hindrance they will come up with a way to eliminate floor finish
entirely.
Mr. Baldassarra asked if the entire ceiling in the basement would have gypsum board.
Mr. Ginnodo did not think it would be over the utility room. Mr. Charlie Gerstung
confirmed that is correct. Mr. Ginnodo said it would be drywall in the storage, drywall
recreation, drywall bath, drywall hall and drywall in the bedroom. The storage room and
the recreation room already have a ceiling in there; the new space would be adding
drywall ceiling.
Mr. Baldassarra inquired about the existing code stated that the furnace room has to
have a gypsum board ceiling. Mr. Craig stated not any more, he believes they took that
out and that is where they put the requirement for a sprinkler head, one sprinkler head
above a fuel burning furnace. Mr. Charlie Gerstung added that immediately
surrounding the furnace is drywall.
Mr. Smith called for staff recommendation. Mr. Touloumis said the recommendation
from the Building Department (which lead to the fire damper requirement), is that if they
were going to rate this room, it makes no sense to rate a room with drywall and ceiling if
you have two big duct holes in the wall that smoke and heat can pass through. That
said, he is not saying to put an hour rated door in either. A reasonable accommodation
is what the code typically calls for between a garage and the residential separation
which you can get out of the IRC. Since we are mixing codes with creating the UL 305
design, you are not going to have that with duct penetrations which can be significant
with supply and return. The recommendation would be for approval with the duct
dampers.
Mr. Smith said it was mentioned at the last meeting that the biggest concern was the
smoke and that the higher ceiling gives more time for the smoke to fill up before it starts
affecting the occupant. He asked Mr. Lyons if these would be reasonable measures to
alleviate that concern.
Mr. Lyons replied, yes. He explained that they worked hard on the amendments to the
code, and that when they are talking about the code they should be talking about ceiling
height being 8 feet. When they amended from 7 to 8, he did not think it was for purely
fire and life safety reasons. It had some benefits that Building & Life Safety Department
was looking out for at the last meeting, but he agrees with Mr. Touloumis that the
alternatives presented offset any potential negative life safety effects of a lower ceiling.
Therefore, they would not oppose a variance.
Mr. Baldassarra asked if the petitioners realize the rated door is going to be closed all
of the time. He is wrestling with what we are protecting, what from what. Is the
bedroom the hazard or is the bedroom the target we are trying to protect from
everything else. He noted there is a huge escape window.
Mr. Charlie Gerstung mentioned it is a 6 x 3 window. It is much larger than the code
states is necessary for an egress window itself. The reason for the size is for the light to
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come into the room. The sill height is lower than the requirement also. He feels it will
be the safest room in the house being there are three exits, there is another egress
window that is easily accessed in the utility space, as well as outside the door and up
the stairs out the garage.
Mr. Touloumis said his opinion is somebody sleeping in the room, fire starts; you are
protecting somebody from something happening on the outside, fire starting on the first
floor, other exits, smoke penetrating in etc. Basements are more difficult for emergency
responders to get down into, smoke with lower ceiling height collects more quickly, it is
more difficult for them to get there to rescue somebody. The answer to the question is
that you are protecting the occupant inside from some event happening on the outside.
Mr. Charlie Gerstung noted that the room is a very large room; it is 14 x 13 with two
very large closets.
Mr. Baldassarra added he liked the idea of the interconnected detection. It gives
people on both levels of the house advanced notice. He said we would not be doing
this except for not having the proper ceiling height. He likes the idea of Alternative 1,
the proposed addition of smoke detection in all of the sleeping rooms on the first floor.
He did not feel Alternative 3, proposal for dampers, was that important but likes the
other parts of the proposal. He will support No. 3 if the Village feels it is important.
Exhibit A.
There was discussion on dampers, and the variety of alternates proposed. Mr.
Ginnodo then proposed Alternate 1 and 2. He does not think fire dampers are required
in the IRC. It is maybe another level of security that may not be contributing that much.
His position is that if it needs to happen to get the project done, they will, but it seems to
not be necessary.
Mr. Lyons asked what adding the dampers did to make it safer. Mr. Charlie Gerstung
said it was put in not to make it safer but because of discussions with Mr. Touloumis,
they added it.
Mr. Tinaglia asked for confirmation on height. Mr. Ginnodo said they have 6’ 9” on the
drawings. He believes it was put there for floor finish, ceiling drywall, or maybe the
slope of floor. It is the worst case scenario it can be in that room, it will not be any less.
Mr. Tinaglia noted that with concrete floor and finished drywall it is 6’ 10” or 6’ 10½” in
reality. We can’t talk about what finish they put on their floor, that is not our job to tell
them what to do on their floor.
Mr. Tinaglia asked Mr. Ginnodo about costs of Items 1, 2 a, b, and c, and 3. Mr.
Ginnodo was not sure and said the first two are normal in a construction project of this
scale and would not be damaging to include because it is almost like normal
construction. He added the fire dampers could be more costly depending on the type
involved. Mr. Tinaglia said the total would be more than a few hundred dollars.
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Mr. Tinaglia stated his thoughts were that if you label this a different kind of room to
begin with, no one would have discussed this. We cannot stop someone from finishing
their basement. It is just that it is called a bedroom. If it was just a room we would not
be having this discussion. It is an existing condition that they want to use the best they
can and they want to be safe. He believes the alternatives are reasonable and in his
opinion overkill in many instances. Whatever the rest of the Board feels is necessary,
he will support. He is fine with not doing any of them. If it was a brand new house it
would be different, but they are trying to do something out of an existing house. If not
for the big window, he would say forget it. He would not want anyone sleeping in
another room without a reasonable way out.
Mr. Touloumis clarified that as discussed in the last meeting, things that were
considered standard for the code, like an emergency escape, was not looked at as extra
as more to offset what we are trying to get with the ceiling height. Again, the window
larger than the minimum helps the cause.
Mr. Smith said that typically this Board does not take into account costs. It has been
the process of this Board that if one wants to make a change to the code that they
should provide something that tries to provide a similar type of safety in an alternative
fashion and you have provided that. Based on discussions he would be willing to
accept some of the safety measures being added, not necessarily all.
MR. BALDASSARRA MOTIONED THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED WITH
ALTERNATES 1 AND 2 BEING CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL. SECONDED BY
MR. TINAGLIA THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
The meeting adjourned at 7:15pm.
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Variance request from Section 9 of Chapter 23 of the Arlington Heights
Item:
Municipal Code at 401 S. Evergreen Ave.
Department: Building & Life Safety
Request
Petitioner, Ghandshyam Patel of 401 S. Evergreen Avenue, seeking a variance
from Section 9 of Chapter 23 of the Arlington Heights Municipal Code requiring
a sprinkler system for a 14 x 20 storage shed.
Recommendation
It is recommended by the Building & Life Safety Department to allow the storage
shed to be built without requiring fire sprinklers. It is our belief that when the
current amendments to the Fire Code were written that it wasn’t intended to
require fire sprinklers for Utility buildings of this nature. (The code as currently
amended removed the standard code language that would have not required fire
sprinklers for this shed.)
ATTACHMENTS:
Description Type
Petitioner Request Correspondence