City Council
Regular MeetingDeKalb, IL · June 18, 2018
Minutes
MINUTES
CITY OF DEKALB
SPECIAL COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING
JUNE 18, 2018
The City Council of DeKalb, Illinois held a Special Committee of the Whole meeting on
June 18, 2018, in the City Council Chambers of the DeKalb Municipal Building, 200 S.
Fourth Street, DeKalb, Illinois.
Mayor Smith called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m.
A. ROLL CALL
Deputy City Clerk Shelly Jureczek called the roll and the following members of City
Council were present: Alderman Bill Finucane, Alderman Mike Marquardt, Alderman
Patrick Fagan, Alderman Kate Noreiko, Alderman Mike Verbic, Alderman Tony Faivre,
and Mayor Jerry Smith. Alderman David Jacobson arrived at 5:15 p.m.
Also present were: Interim City Manager Patty Hoppenstedt, Finance Director Molly
Talkington, Deputy Fire Chief Jeff McMaster, and Human Resources Director Cris
Randall.
B. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
Mayor Smith asked if there was anyone present who wished to speak to an item not listed
on the agenda. There was none.
C. CONSIDERATIONS
1. City Manager Search – Hybrid Recruitment Process.
In follow up to a previous presentation regarding the City Manager search, Alderman
Finucane had requested additional information regarding the services to be provided
by GovHR. Human Resources Director Randall reviewed details regarding GovHR’s
services provided in a letter from Heidi Vorhees, President of GovHR, dated June 12,
2018. The letter included options the City has regarding the services available, the
costs associated with each of those options and the methods GovHR uses to complete
those options.
Mayor Smith clarified that Council has already chosen GovHR for the recruitment
search and asked for clarification regarding the amount of the budget for advertising
and marketing. Human Resources Director Randall confirmed that the City could
choose which forums are used for advertisement. If the Council chose to eliminate
some of the marketing options listed in the proposal, the actual cost of the marketing
would be less than the $3,000 budget.
Alderman Finucane indicated he felt it was important to limit the amount of staff time
and potential liability the City might have during this process. He reiterated the Council
could choose how many candidates they will review. During the last search, out of 57
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potential candidates, the Council received information on 12 candidates. He indicated
he would like to see 20 or more this time.
Mayor Smith inquired if there was a consensus that the Council is satisfied with
GovHR’s response for more information. Alderman Finucane indicated he was
satisfied. Alderman Noreiko concurred that she would like to see 20 to 25 qualified
applicants of prescreened applicants.
Human Resources Director Randall added that this process gives Council another
layer of protection against discriminatory hiring practices claims.
Alderman Faivre stated he was in favor of using the prescreening process but would
like access to all of the résumés. Human Resources Director Randall confirmed that
Council would have full access.
Alderman Verbic stated he believes qualifications will affect the number of applicants
and feels that Council needs to confirm those qualifications before the search firm or
staff get too far along in the process. Mayor Smith confirmed that the topic of
qualifications is scheduled for the next Committee of the Whole meeting.
Human Resources Director Randall indicated that City Attorney Frieders would be
making a presentation during next week’s Council meeting to determine if it is the
Council’s wish to reflect any changes to the duties and powers of the City Manager
within the Municipal Code. As a part of the position profile, GovHR will establish the
skills and management styles the Council is looking for through meetings with the
Council members. The results of those meetings will be summarized in a report to be
prepared by GovHR before any advertisement begins.
Alderman Verbic indicated his preference to meet with GovHR as a group in a public
setting rather than one-on-one meetings for the sake of efficiency.
Interim City Manager Hoppenstedt confirmed that Ms. Voorhees is offering to meet in
one-on-one meetings with each City Council member and/or in a public setting as a
group.
Human Resources Director Randall stated she will prepare a resolution for the June
25, 2018, Council meeting, authorizing an agreement with GovHR as proposed within
their June 12, 2018 letter.
Interim City Manager Hoppenstedt then took a moment to make a few parting remarks
before her out of state move on June 22, 2018. She thanked the Council for allowing
her the opportunity to serve as Assistant City Manager and Interim City Manager. She
expressed pride in the work everyone has done, including City Council’s work as the
City grows. She thanked City staff for their support and dedication and stated her
confidence in Molly Talkington as the next Interim City Manager.
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2. Budget Workshop
a. Review of Budget Schedules and Goals.
Service Level Review.
Fire Department.
Deputy Fire Chief McMaster provided Council with a copy of the 2017 Annual
Report for the Fire Department, which details the mission statement, core
services provided by the Fire Department, information on operations, training,
support services, facilities and fleet, and budgeting and revenue.
Using a PowerPoint presentation, Deputy Fire Chief McMaster provided a
comprehensive overview of the annual report and service level review for the
Fire Department, which includes fire and rescue services, special teams
including aircraft emergency services, Hazardous Materials and Technical
Rescue, fire life safety, commercial and industrial building inspections
performed by the fire prevention and off-duty firefighters.
A financial challenge the Fire Department is facing is their aging fleet. There
are currently three vehicles that need immediate replacement and an additional
four vehicles needing replacement in the next three years.
Last year the Fire Department generated $1.9M of revenue for the City, a
majority of which comes from ambulance billing. Additional revenue comes
through a Northern Illinois University (NIU) fire protection contract, and
licensure inspection services (i.e. rooming houses, Fire Life Safety, hotel/motel,
and gas station).
Alderman Fagan asked why $2.5M was billed out for ambulance services but
only $1M was collected. Deputy Fire Chief McMaster explained that the bulk of
revenue is from patients with private insurance. Many constituents rely on
Medicare and Medicaid, which only pay pennies on the dollar. Self-pay patients
are also included as difficult to collect.
Alderman Noreiko asked about the impact of the cuts for attending conferences
or memberships in professional organizations. Deputy Fire Chief McMaster
indicated it is a loss of networking and sharing information on resources. For
example, the International Association of Fire Chiefs helps extensively with new
and efficient ways to test for firefighters and for promotions and can also help
in the event of a serious injury or firefighter death, providing resources to help
a stricken fire department.
Alderman Noreiko thanked the Fire Department for their SEPSIS alert protocol.
Alderman Verbic asked if the breakeven point with NIU services is known.
Deputy Fire Chief McMaster indicated the information is tracked by taking the
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cost of “going out the door” (salaries and vehicle costs) and calculating what
services run specific to NIU. The analysis shows that the City continues to be
at a good point. Last year the City brought in $166,000 through the NIU
contract. Next year, the City contract increases to $830,000.
Alderman Verbic asked for confirmation that the City is trying to stay at
breakeven point. Deputy Fire Chief McMaster confirmed.
Alderman Verbic also asked if the Fire Department would come to the Council
when the City’s incidents are at a point to justify opening a new station or the
relocation of an existing station, as it appears that the numbers are tracking as
if there will be a need fairly soon. Deputy Fire Chief McMaster indicated that
the Fire Department carefully tracks the response times to identify any changes
in need that may require opening or relocating stations.
Alderman Faivre asked about whether it was common practice that a second
vehicle is sent every time the City sends out an ambulance. Deputy Fire Chief
McMaster confirmed.
Alderman Faivre questioned if the City has evaluated sending a smaller vehicle
instead of a fire truck (or large engine) with the ambulance. Deputy Fire Chief
McMaster indicated there are national standards for BLS calls and ALS calls.
BLS calls can be handled by two paramedics in an ambulance. ALS calls
(seizure, sudden death, heart attack) require four paramedics within four to six
minutes. The Fire Department is constantly looking at other models (i.e.
ambulance/SUV versus ambulance/fire truck).
Alderman Faivre commented that at a recent Illinois Municipal League
Conference, Rockford spoke about a program they use for chronic users of
ambulance services for hospital transport rather than a life-threatening
situation. With this program, the hospitals pay the Fire Department to have a
staff member work with individuals who are using the ambulance services, in
order to eliminate tying up those emergency resources.
Deputy Fire Chief McMaster confirmed there are frequent users in DeKalb and
that data is tracked. The Fire Department still responds to 911 calls for
everything from needing help out of the bathtub to something more serious. At
those times, the Fire Department provides information about area social service
programs for follow-up. He added that although there has been talk with the
hospital about a community medicine program to provide services for those
who don’t have the means to seek out primary health care, the issue remains
on how that service would be funded. There are no concrete plans to move
forward with this type of program at this time.
Alderman Finucane asked how many calls were from outside the City but within
the Fire Protection District. He added that the report shows that only 7.2% of
revenue comes from Fire Protection District contract and wants to make sure
the City is getting its fair share. Deputy Fire Chief McMaster said that last year
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the Fire Department ran just over 200 calls from Fire Protection District.
Additionally, the Fire Department ran 114 calls to its mutual aid partners. He
noted that in order to receive mutual aid, the Fire Department needs to provide
it.
Mayor Smith looked at the cuts the Council made to the Fire Department
budget and confirms the Council made some of the easy ones. He went on to
say it is difficult to say “no” when someone calls for service. He added that the
pension obligation in this community and the state is unbelievable and is a
continual albatross and we need to get a handle on it.
Human Resources Department
Prior to providing an overview of this item, Human Resources Director Randall
noted that the staff memo regarding this item was much more detailed and
encouraged Council and staff to review it for further clarification if needed.
Using a PowerPoint presentation, Human Resources Director Randall provided
a high-level overview of the Human Resources Department’s six areas of
responsibility, including Administration and Strategy, Compensation and
Benefits, Employee Engagement and Labor Relations, Safety and Compliance,
Training and Employee Development, and Workplace Planning & Employment.
Some challenges identified by Human Resources Director Randall included
workforce shortages. Projections show that by 2022, 61 positions will need to
be filled due to retirement. Mayor Smith pointed out that in 2018 alone, 34
employees are eligible for retirement. With regard to fire and police, eligibility
lists are maintained at all times, but there are many challenges that have
already been felt due to low eligibility numbers during recruitments.
Alderman Noreiko asked about the benefits administration services provided to
the DeKalb Public Library (DPL) and whether the City bills them. Human
Resources Director Randall indicated that the DPL pays 100% of their costs for
insurance. Interim
City Manager Hoppenstedt clarified that the City administers the benefits
enrollment at no cost to the DPL but does not pay any of the costs relating to
the actual benefits. Alderman Noreiko noted that technically, the DPL is part of
the City.
Human Resources Director Randall added that DPL employees are also a part
of the City’s IMRF, so we administer that as well.
Alderman Noreiko asked if there was any opportunity to discuss with the DPL
the sharing of costs for administration. Interim City Manager Hoppenstedt
stated the City has let them know it is considering that. She noted that Finance
Director Talkington and the City’s previous Finance Director have discussed
this.
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Alderman Verbic indicated he does not support pro bono work for the DPL and
asked if the cost for those services could be established.
Alderman Fagan asked about the increase in regular and part-time wages from
$115,000 in 2016 to $253,000 two years later. Interim City Manager
Hoppenstedt explained a part-time person within the Human Resources
Department transitioned to the Finance Department and a new person was
brought on to fill the vacancy in Human Resources. In addition, there was some
restructuring within the City Manager’s Office where a position previously
working in the City Manager’s Office was transitioned into the Human
Resources budget to provide administrative support. To confirm, there was no
position added. There was just a transfer in the budget from the City Manager’s
Office to the Human Resources Department. Interim City Manager
Hoppenstedt advised that the comprehensive staffing report within the budget
reflects those changes and how they affect each portion of the budget.
Alderman Fagan also had questions regarding education tuition reimbursement
and who is receiving those benefits. Interim City Manager Hoppenstedt
indicated that each department previously kept this information separately, but
it was since moved to one account under Human Resources for managing,
approval and tracking purposes.
Alderman Fagan asked how he is supposed to know the details on an individual
line item such as this. Interim City Manager Hoppenstedt stated that is the
downfall of the current software system, as it does not provide a breakdown.
Finance and Human Resources manually keep track of everything that has
been approved and that information can be provided by Finance at any time,
or on a regular basis if they choose.
Alderman Fagan believes that is more work and he thinks this has a lack of
transparency. Human Resources Director Randall indicated that although the
data is available, it is not listed on the line item review. Finance Director
Talkington stated that the new system (BS&A) will allow for separate line items
within each account so we will be able to track that detail in a better format.
Line Item Review.
Items for Additional Discussion.
Finance Director Talkington provided a PowerPoint presentation for three
specific budget line items – vehicle allowance, training and education, and dues
and subscriptions.
Vehicle Allowance funding was tracked back to 2003, although information from
long-standing employees reflects that vehicle allowances may have also been
paid prior to that time. The number of positions that have vehicle allowances
has fluctuated from 2003 to the present from four staff to eight. The lowest cost
was $10,000 per year and the highest was $26,000 per year. The current
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budget is $23,000 for seven positions: City Manager, Assistant City Manager
and department heads (excluding the Police and Fire Chiefs who have City-
issued vehicles). Comparable information regarding this item was available
from two sources. An Illinois City Manager’s Association (ILCMA) survey
reflected that 10 out of 12 municipalities surveyed included a vehicle allowance.
A PublicSalaries.com survey reflected that 16 out of 19 municipalities surveyed
included a vehicle allowance. The allowances ranged from $3,000 to $8,640
per year. The City is closer to the $4,000 range currently.
Dues and Subscriptions are for memberships in professional organizations,
publications, tools and research information. Among other things, these are
used to inform staff and keep them advised of current issues. Metro West and
the Illinois Municipal League are good examples of sources used to increase
the City’s lobbying efforts. The 2008 budget was around $38,000 and was
increased $20,589 in the course of 10 years. In FY2013, the subscriptions were
reduced by $35,000 but have risen steadily. The cuts in FY2013 are mostly
attributable to the recession, during which time dues and subscriptions are
often the first items to be reduced.
Training and Education is another item that is affected when a recession hits.
Although it is one of the expenses that is initially reviewed for reduction, it is
important to understand that training and education provide a critical service to
maintain standards for fire and police. As has been previously explained there
are peaks and valleys for hiring cycles with police. In a hiring cycle, new officers
are onboarded and put through training. In the last three years we were in a
hiring cycle for police. It is important to note that some of this training is
preventative in nature, in order to avoid improper or inadequate training,
potentially leading to catastrophic events and risk of liability or litigation.
Notably, the fire department budget is down, as they now require new
firefighters to be state-certified as both firefighter and paramedic, which helps
reduce their onboarding costs.
Alderman Jacobson stated one of his goals as an alderman was to start cutting
off some of the conferences (i.e. IML) and making do with internal trainings, but
there was push back from staff stating the trainings were necessary. Now the
costs have nearly doubled on each line item. He believes that sending all
department heads and interns to conferences should be a policy decision.
Should the City be spending $15,000 a year to be part of Metro West? Does
the benefit justify the cost? In terms of the conferences, he believes the benefits
can be achieved by sending one person, rather than three to five people. He
feels that the City should strongly look at scaling back to the pre-2012 levels.
Mayor Smith said he didn’t want to suggest that the training should not continue
at the present levels, but this Council needs more information on where that
money is being spent. He stated this is another example in which the City
Manager has the ability to make spending decisions up to $20,000 without
Council approval. Moving forward, this should be reviewed as part of the
responsibilities and authorities the City Manager has.
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Alderman Noreiko stated she is aware of the need to cut expenses but is
surprised that the Information Technology Department has a budget of only
$2,000, especially due to concerns about cyber security, and wondered if
Information Technology Director Thorson been able to tap into resources that
make him comfortable with the City’s risk level and if he is going to be coming
back at budget time saying the City needs to increase budget for training.
Finance Director Talkington stated that Information Technology’s training
budget was reduced during this budget as a one-time reduction. She believes
that Information Technology Director Thorson felt comfortable with one year of
this level of funding. Interim City Manager Hoppenstedt added that Information
Technology Director Thorson is a board member of the National GMIS and was
able to participate in some training and receive a waiver for registration as a
board member.
Mayor Smith stated he wants to be sure the City is seeking out all grant
opportunities that may be available across the board.
Alderman Fagan asked about automobile allowances and how far a staff
person with this benefit has to travel before being reimbursed. Finance Director
Talkington confirmed reimbursement after 50 miles.
D. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION
Alderman Noreiko motioned to adjourn the meeting; seconded by Alderman Marquardt.
VOTE
Motion carried on an 8-0 voice vote. Aye: Jacobson, Finucane, Marquardt, Fagan,
Noreiko, Verbic, Faivre, Smith. Nay: None. Mayor Smith declared the motion passed and
adjourned the meeting at 7:10 p.m.
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SHELLY JURECZEK, Deputy City Clerk
Approved by Council: July 9, 2018.