Human Relations Commission
Regular MeetingDeKalb, IL · December 7, 2021
Minutes
Minutes
City of DeKalb
Human Relations Commission
December 7, 2021
The Human Relations Commission (HRC) held a regular meeting on December 7, 2021 in the Second Floor
Training Room at the DeKalb Police Department.
A. Roll Call
The meeting was called to order at 6:32 pm. The following members of the HRC were present: Joe Gastiger
(Chair), Norden Gilbert, Andre Powell, and Lisa King.
Other City officials/staff present:
Joshua Boldt, Assistant to the City Manager and Staff Liaison to the HRC
Bill Nicklas, City Manager
Scott Zak, Management Analyst
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the December 7 HRC agenda. A motion to approve the agenda was
made by Norden Gilbert and seconded by Lisa King. The December 7th agenda was approved by 4-0 voice vote.
C. Approval of Minutes – October 5, 2021 Regular Meeting
Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the HRC minutes recorded on October 5, 2021. A motion to
approve the October 5th minutes was made by Norden Gilbert and seconded by Lisa King. The October 5th
minutes were approved by 4-0 voice vote.
D. Approval of Minutes – November 2, 2021 Regular Meeting
Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the HRC minutes recorded on November 2, 2021. A motion to
approve the November 2nd minutes was made by Norden Gilbert and seconded by Lisa King. The November
2nd minutes were approved by 4-0 voice vote.
E. Public Participation – NONE
F. Old Business
1. Landlord-Tenant Review
a. 1-Hour Notification for Landlord Visits
Multiple invited guests were present on behalf of the DeKalb Area Rental Association (DARA):
Glenn Roby, Mike Pittsley, and Will Heinisch.
Will Heinisch explained that DARA has been discussing the rule that a landlord must notify a
tenant at least an hour in advance before entering a rental property (as specified in the City
Code 10.14 (e)). Previously, the HRC suggested that this rule be emended to 24 hours.
Will Heinisch stated the DARA members believed, in summary, the 1-hour notice rule was fair
given the non-emergency specifications that follow in 10.14(e). Will Heinisch suggested to the
HRC that the Chapter 10 language revision proposal could include the requirement that a
tenant be present before a landlord could enter a rental property on such short notice.
Mike Pittsley advocated for keeping 1-hour notice as defined currently in the City Code. Glenn
Roby echoed Mike Pittsley’s comments. Glenn Roby maintained that this access isn’t being
abused by DARA members.
Earnell Brown was present to speak on behalf of the Sir Donald Foundation. Mr. Brown
disagreed with the 1-hour rule. Lisa King explained that perhaps there was a way to modify the
access rule for certain types of housing units. Will Heinisch suggested the solution may be to
further specify conditions for entry in 10.14(e)(i-vi). Conversation ensued on access to rental
units.
Bill Nicklas explained this rule used to be applied by a landlord who could remediate a tenant
concern without contacting police. One example of this would be ending a common underage
drinking event in an apartment. Bill Nicklas wished for a shared solution to the issue. Mike
Pittsley disagreed with a 24-hour notice requirement and advocated for one day. Lisa King
stated that the 1-hour notice rule was being abused by more than one landlord. Norden Gilbert
suggested the notice requirement settle at 12 hours. Mike Pittsley brought forward some
concerns about random HUD inspections which may require immediate entry into rental units.
Norden Gilbert suggested the Commission move forward with a 12-hour notice requirement
instead of waiting until the next HRC meeting to approve a proposal. Will Heinisch and Mike
Pittsley were agreeable to the 12-hour notice requirement and conversation reached a
consensus.
Norden Gilbert made a motion to amend 10.14(e)(1) language to require a 12-hour notice of
intent to enter. This motion was seconded by Lisa King. The motion was approved by a 4-0
voice vote.
G. New Business
a. Sir Donald Foundation Introduction
Guest speaker Mr. Earnell Brown, Founder of Sir Donald Foundation, introduced himself. Mr.
Brown discussed his personal background and what the organization is founded on. Mr. Brown
presented the Foundation’s 6 Basic Decisions to Freedom:
1. The Decision that Prison or Jail is not where you want to spend your future.
2. The Decision that you will give back to society freely.
3. The Decision that no matter how people or society views you, you will live right and free
for you.
4. That you will not commit any crime, no matter what.
5. That you will take on each day as it comes, one day at a time.
6. That you will actively assist others to make these decisions and achieve a stable crime
free lifestyle.
Mr. Brown provided his contact information for the Human Relations Commission. Joe Gastiger
and the Commission praised Mr. Brown for his continued work with returning citizens.
b. The HRC wished to convey its condolences to the family of Cheryl Appleton, who passed away
on November 5, 2021. Ms Appleton had served on the Commission, with wisdom and insight,
for many years. The Commission also wished to commend Joshua Boldt for his excellent service
as Assistant City Manager, and as the HRC’s Staff Liaison. Commission members wished him
well at his new position as City Manager of Maquoketa, Iowa.
H. Adjournment
Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to adjourn at 8:09 pm. A motion was made by Norden Gilbert and seconded
Lisa King. The motion was approved by a 4-0 vote. The next HRC meeting will be on January 4, 2022.
Joshua Boldt, Assistant to the City Manager & HRC Liaison
Minutes approved by the Human Relations Commission on February 1, 2022.
Agenda
AGENDA
Human Relations Commission Meeting
December 7, 2021
6:30 PM
DeKalb Police Department
700 W Lincoln Hwy
nd
2 Floor Training Room
DeKalb, Illinois 60115
COVID-19 Notice: The corporate authorities of the City of DeKalb intend to conduct this meeting in-person with a physically
present quorum that is open to the public and in compliance with all applicable public health requirements. Pursuant to
Governor Pritzker’s Executive Orders 21-22 and 21-30, all persons attending this meeting who are age two or over and
able to medically tolerate a face covering (a mask or cloth face covering) shall be required to wear protective face
masks/coverings.
A. Roll Call
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
C. Approval of Minutes – October 5, 2021
D. Approval of Minutes – November 2, 2021
E. Public Participation
F. Old Business
1. Landlord-Tenant Review
a. 1-Hour Notification for Landlord Visits
City Manager Summary: Since the last HRC meeting, Will Heinisch, Mike Pittsley and
other DARA members have discussed how a common ground might be established
regarding the “one-hour” rule. They have proposed a revision to require that the tenant
be present after the one-hour notice has expired to accompany the landlord in any walk-
through. The City Manager is seeking some discussion of this proposal prior to taking the
revised Landlord-Tenant ordinance draft to the City Council.
G. New Business
a. Sir Donald Foundation Introduction
H. Adjournment
Minutes
City of DeKalb
Human Relations Commission
October 5, 2021
The Human Relations Committee (HRC) held a regular meeting on October 5, 2021 in the Second Floor Training
Room at the DeKalb Police Department.
A. Roll Call
The meeting was called to order at 6:33 pm. The following members of the HRC were present: Joe Gastiger
(Chair), JJ Wett, Nadine Franklin, Norden Gilbert, and Lisa King.
Other City officials/staff present:
• Joshua Boldt, Assistant to the City Manager and Staff Liaison to the HRC
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
Joe Gastiger recognized multiple guests were present to comment on Item E2 Police-Community Relations:
Citizen Police Review Board (Further Consideration). Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to amend and approve the
Agenda with Item E2 preceding Item E1. A motion to approve the amended Agenda was made by Norden Gilbert
and Seconded by Nadine Franklin. The October 5, 2021 Agenda was approved by 5-0 vote.
C. Approval of Minutes – September 7, 2021 Regular Meeting
Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the HRC minutes recorded on September 7, 2021. Norden Gilbert
commented he wished to modify the minutes to replace a statement using the word inferred with reached a
consensus in support of. A motion to approve the minutes was made by JJ Wett and Seconded by Nadine
Franklin. The September 7, 2021 Minutes were approved by 5-0 vote.
D. Public Participation –
Androw Tillotson spoke regarding Item E2. Tillotson stated he was in support of allowing anonymous complaints
to be considered by the Citizens Police Review Board (CPRB). Tillotson stated there must be a repair in the
community trust of police and the CPRB having a voting power in the discipline decision of officers will help
build the community’s trust in Police. Tillotson and HRC Member, JJ Wett, suggested any member of the CPRB
should be able to receive a citizen complaint for consideration. Conversation ensued on the prospective CPRB
marketing process if approved by City Council.
Malena Graddy stated she is excited about the CPRB. Graddy added that the final details of the CPRB and
nitpicking she has observed regarding the proposal should be taken as an encouraging sign for the community,
since it does seem to indicate a keen interest in going forward.
Eric Garcia spoke regarding the CPRB’s future educational and promotional challenges. Garcia advised he still
had concerns about how complaints will be filed but when the CPRB starts, the City should consider creating
brochures, business cars, internet postings, announcements, and other media-related promotional material.
E. Old Business
2. Police-Community Relations: Civilian Review Board Discussion
Joe Gastiger referenced the Uniform Peace Officers’ Disciplinary Act (50 ILCS 725) and suggested the Act
appears to not require a sworn affidavit to file a complaint against a police officer and wished to make
sure the City Attorney is aware of this Act. Conversation ensued with public guests regarding the CPRB
ordinance proposal. Joe Gastiger provided material by the National Association for Civilian Oversight of
Law Enforcement as an educational reference for the Commission to study and provide
recommendation.
1. Landlord-Tenant Review
The HRC reviewed proposed Chapter 10 Language. The HRC reviewed the one (1) hour minimum landlord
access based on reasonable notice. The HRC advised they would prefer the language to reflect 12 or 24
hour notice. The HRC also reviewed a prohibition on towing for the non-payment or late payment of a
tenant’s rent. Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to include said towing prohibition language into the
Chapter 10 Draft for the City Attorney to review. This motion was made by Lisa King and Seconded by JJ
Wett. The motion was approved by 5-0 vote. Conversation ensued on the remaining draft alterations to
the Chapter 10 ordinance. Staff Liaison Joshua Boldt stated he will send the draft to the City Attorney
and the HRC would be able to consider a final document at the next HRC meeting.
F. New Business - NONE
G. Adjournment
Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to adjourn at 7:57 pm. A motion was made by JJ Wett and seconded Lisa King.
The motion was approved by a 5-0 vote. The next HRC meeting will be on November 2, 2021.
Joshua Boldt, Assist. City Manager & HRC Liaison
Minutes approved by the Human Relations Commission on ____________________ .
Minutes
City of DeKalb
Human Relations Commission
November 2, 2021
The Human Relations Committee (HRC) held a regular meeting on November 2, 2021 in the Second Floor
Training Room at the DeKalb Police Department.
A. Roll Call
The meeting was called to order at 6:33 pm. The following members of the HRC were present: Joe Gastiger
(Chair), Norden Gilbert, John Walker, and Lisa King.
Other City officials/staff present:
• Joshua Boldt, Assistant to the City Manager and Staff Liaison to the HRC
• Bill Nicklas, City Manager
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the November 2 HRC Agenda. A motion to approve the Agenda was
made by Lisa King and Seconded by Norden Gilbert. The November 2nd Agenda was approved by 4-0 voice vote.
C. Approval of Minutes – October 5, 2021 Regular Meeting
Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the HRC minutes recorded on October 5, 2021. Norden Gilbert asked
if the minutes were distributed. Joshua Boldt stated they were posted online as part of the Agenda packet. Joe
Gastiger stated he was familiar with the minutes but had difficulty printing them. Lisa King suggested waiting
until the next HRC meeting to approve the October 5, 2021 minutes. This Agenda item was tabled.
D. Public Participation –
Joe Gastiger recognized a citizen, identified as Mark Charvat, was present and invited him to speak. Mr. Charvat
stated that he was encouraged by the operations of the HRC and interactive public discussion that is available
to citizens. Mr. Charvat advised he an advocate of transparency and wished to express his dissatisfaction with
Joshua Boldt. Mr. Charvat stated Joshua Boldt had deflected and avoided Mr. Charvat’s emails. Mr. Charvat
disseminated an email from Joshua Boldt from which he stated Joshua Boldt provided convoluted excuses on
why a video recording wasn’t available. Mr. Charvat stated a video should be provided as a back up to the
meeting minutes for record keeping. Mr. Charvat expressed that he didn’t believe HRC meeting minutes were
sufficiently detailed. Mr. Charvat asked Joshua Boldt why he doesn’t answer his emails. Joshua Boldt explained
the HRC reinstated video based on his concern. Mr. Charvat continued to express displeasure for being ignored
in email inquiries.
Mr. Charvat asked who the City Council liaison was to the HRC. Joe Gastiger answered it was Scott McAdams.
Mr. Charvat asked when Scott McAdams last attended a meeting and if he was present for Citizens Police Review
Board (CPRB) discussions. Bill Nicklas stated CPRB discussions have been going on with City Council for a year
and reminded Joe Gastiger he is the Chair and may call to order a meeting if participation becomes disorderly.
Mr. Charvat also spoke on the topic of License Plate Readers (LPR) and privacy. Mr. Charvat stated that these
cameras are capable of discerning not only the license plate but could also capture images of the driver. Mr.
Charvat said there is no current policy on the use of LPR and the City should have one. Joe Gastiger suggested
this topic should be on the next HRC Agenda. Bill Nicklas summarized the LPR Resolution was an outcome of
public discussion and are a means to investigate high-level crimes. John Walker stated there needs to be
accountability if general orders are violated. Conversation ensued on this topic and Joe Gastiger said this topic
wasn’t on the Agenda. Joe Gastiger suggested the HRC move on for now.
E. Old Business
1. Landlord-Tenant Review
a. Towing Restrictions
Joe Gastiger explained the City Attorney did review the document and there were two unresolved
points: Towing Restrictions & Landlord Access. Joe Gastiger invited a guest, identified as Will
Heinisch, to speak. Mr. Heinisch advised they polled DeKalb Area Rental Association (DARA)
members and none of the members tow tenant vehicles for non-payment of rent.
John Walker explained towing a tenant’s vehicle for non-payment of rent is counterproductive
for economic reasons. Lisa King also explained non-payment of rent towing is bad practice and
there was no circumstance where it seemed rational. Lisa King provided multiple examples.
Norden Gilbert stated he supports having a towing prohibition in place and the landlord has other
options to collect rent besides towing. Conversation ensued on the economic problems with
towing for non-payment of rent.
b. 1-Hour Notification for Landlord Access
Joe Gastiger opened discussion on this point. Mr. Heinisch explained the 1-hour access was
meant for mitigating nefarious activity at rental units without contacting the Police Department.
Will Heinisch explained this particular point may have less relevance because generally there are
fewer students at Northern Illinois University (NIU). Norden Gilbert suggested the section read
twenty-four (24) hours. John Walker expressed support for 24 hours.
Joe Gastiger entertained a motion to accept the change from 1-hour to 24 and to prohibit towing
for non-payment of rent. A motion was made by Norden Gilbert and seconded by Lisa King.
Norden Gilbert later modified the motion to clarify language prohibiting towing for non-payment
of rent. Norden Gilbert advised the language on towing should read as: “All towing of vehicles
shall be in accordance with property posted parking regulations. Towing of a tenant’s vehicle due
to nonpayment of rent shall be prohibited.” Lisa King seconded Norden Gilbert’s modified motion.
This motion was approved by 4-0 voice vote.
2. Police-Community Relations: Citizen Police Review Board (Further Considerations)
Joe Gastiger requested clarification on whether or not the updated Uniform Peace Officers’ Disciplinary
Act (50 ILCS 725) was considered in the CPRB formation which pertains to whether or not a sworn
affidavit is needed to form a complaint against a police officer. Bill Nicklas advised the City Attorney did
consider this Statutory requirement and provided a general update on the CPRB proposal which is before
the Council on November 8, 2021.
Mark Charvat suggested the HRC be able to recommend members to the CPRB and stated he is
concerned the CPRB will be made up of the Mayor’s friends and not representative of DeKalb. John
Walker said he shares some of the same concerns and believes Mayoral appointment powers should be
monitored. Joe Gastiger stated the HRC does not have the authority to vet potential members. Norden
Gilbert noted that Mayoral appointment is subject to City Council approval.
F. New Business - NONE
G. Adjournment
John Walker advised he is resigning from the HRC. John Walker stated he was grateful for the HRC experience
and he learned from all members. Members of the HRC expressed their appreciation for John.
Joe Gastiger asked for a motion to adjourn at 7:45 pm. A motion was made by Norden Gilbert and seconded
Lisa King. The motion was approved by a 4-0 vote. The next HRC meeting will be on December 7, 2021.
Joshua Boldt, Assistant to the City Manager & HRC Liaison
Minutes approved by the Human Relations Commission on ____________________ .