Human Relations Commission
Regular MeetingDeKalb, IL · October 4, 2022
Minutes
Minutes
City of DeKalb
Human Relations Commission
October 4, 2022
The Human Relations Commission (HRC) held a regular meeting on October 4, 2022, in the Second Floor
Training Room at the DeKalb Police Department.
A. Roll Call
The meeting was called to order at 6:06 pm. The following members of the HRC were present: Joe Gastiger
(Chair), Norden Gilbert, Lisa King and JJ Wett. Nadine Franklin joined the meeting at 6:08 p.m.
Other City officials/staff present:
• Scott Zak, Management Analyst and Staff Liaison to the HRC
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the agenda. It was motioned by Mr. Gilbert and seconded by Mr.
Wett. Chair Gastiger proposed adding a second item under Old Business to give an update on HRC members
attending City Council ward meetings. Mr. Wett said he would like to discuss a rise in homelessness in DeKalb
and Transdev fees and vouchers, which were proposed as new items under “Future Considerations for the
HRC.” Chair Gastiger proposed announcements as a second item under new business. Mr. Wett motioned to
approve the amended agenda, seconded Mr. by Gilbert. The amended agenda was approved by unanimous
voice vote.
C. Approval of Minutes – August 2, 2022 Regular Meeting
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the minutes. Mr. Gilbert motioned to approve the minutes,
seconded by Ms. King. The minutes were approved by unanimous voice vote.
D. Public Participation
Chair Gastiger gave resident Lynn Fazekas permission to make her comments later in the meeting under item
F-1.
Resident Mark Charvat said the agenda for the HRC meeting on the City’s website changed at noon and he was
concerned about an Open Meetings Act violation. Mr. Charvat said he did not have contact information for
Ms. King and asked how he could contact her regarding HRC issues. Ms. King said she would think about it. Mr.
Charvat said he was concerned the policy for the License Plate Readers (LPRs) was not published on the City’s
website until September after the LPRs were being used. He said he would reserve the rest of his comments
for item F-1.
Ms. King asked how Mr. Charvat, as a member of the public, knew about the LPR policy. Mr. Charvat said the
policy went before the HRC in draft form but the final policy was not published until Sept. 20. Ms. King asked
how he knew the policy wasn’t published until then. Mr. Charvat said he checked weekly and it was posted
after he sent several e-mails.
Mr. Zak said that the final version is now published. There were questions regarding the policy going to the
City Council. Mr. Zak noted the HRC and the public were given opportunities to provide input and that
department operational policies do not go to the City Council for approval.
Ms. Fazekas said there is the option for operational policies to go before the Council. She said this one should
have since it is a liability. She said LPRs are a potential weapon of mass surveillance that could result in
lawsuits.
Chair Gastiger said the issue is beyond the Commission’s purview since there is no action that can be taken
now that the policy has been published.
Ms. King asked Ms. Fazekas if she brought her concerns to City officials. Ms. Fazekas said she had not and only
made her comments since the topic was raised during public comments. Mr. Charvat said he felt it was
appropriate to discuss the LPRs with the HRC since the Commission had delt with the policy.
Mr. Zak noted the LPRs were not purchased without the City Council’s knowledge and there were multiple
opportunities for public input on the policy. Regarding the agenda on the website, Mr. Zak said the date of the
meeting on the website was correct but the agenda for August was mistakenly posted. He said that was
corrected when brought to his attention by Ms. Fazekas and the City Attorney advised the HRC could proceed
with their meeting since the agenda postings at City Hall and the Police Department were correct.
E. Old Business
1. Progress Report on the Redevelopment in the AGN Neighborhood
Regarding the annexation of Suburban Estates and Apartments into the City, Chair Gastiger asked if there has
been effort to educate the residents about the services that will be available to them. Mr. Zak said he would
check with the Community Services Coordinator but expects that the annexation is on the radar of the local
nonprofit agencies.
Ms. King noted there have been water quality problems in Flint, Michigan and Jackson, Mississippi and asked
about water quality in DeKalb. Mr. Zak said the City has a Water Division that must take water samples and
meet federal and state standards for water quality and an annual report is published to the City’s website. Mr.
Gilbert noted a water quality report was formerly sent by mail.
2. Response from City Council Members about Attending Ward Meetings
Chair Gastiger shared he had contacted City Council members to ask if Commission members could join future
ward meetings to introduce the HRC to those attending and explain their work and said he had heard back
from some.
Chair Gastiger shared options for increasing the visibility of the HRC. He said the Commission could hold its
regular meetings in various locations and see if people show up. He feels a more effective option would be to
hold listening sessions on the Commission’s off months at locations such as nursing homes, schools and
Parent-Teacher Organization meetings. Mr. Wett said non-profits should be added to the list of possible
locations. Mr. Zak reminded that Commissioner attendance would have to be limited to less than a majority of
a quorum, otherwise the Open Meetings Act requirements would need to be followed. Ms. King said she is
concerned about hearing the voices of those not connected to government. Chair Gastiger said this would be a
good start. Mr. Gilbert said he doubted people would come out to a meeting just to talk with the HRC. Chair
Gastiger said that’s why the Commission would ask to be invited to existing meetings. Chair Gastiger asked for
a motion on the listening sessions. Mr. Zak advised that since the item was added to the agenda at the start of
the meeting and not published beforehand, the Commission should not take formal action.
Returning to ward meetings, Mr. Gilbert asked how they were publicized. Mr. Zak said a news release is sent
out and the meeting is posted to the City’s website and social media. Mr. Gilbert said those methods do not
reach him and believes that is the same for most residents. Ms. King said post cards could be sent. Mr. Zak
reminded there are postage costs. Mr. Wett suggested sending a message with water bills, but Mr. Gilbert
noted that would miss renters. Ms. King requested that City Manager Bill Nicklas be asked if mailers could be
sent out regarding ward meetings.
F. New Business
1. Future Considerations for the HRC
Mr. Gilbert asked for clarification on the topic to be discussed, noting moving meetings to every other month
was discussed last time. Chair Gastiger said the item is a discussion of topics the Commission may take up. Mr.
Zak clarified that the Commission’s recommendation to meet every other month was approved by the City
Council, and that the Mayor or members of the Commission could request special meetings in between.
Ms. Fazekas began her public comment. She suggested using the Next Door website to notify residents about
listening sessions since the message can be targeted to specific neighborhoods. Ms. King questioned how
people would know about Next Door to receive City messages, and there was a discussion on communications
strategies. Ms. King suggested fliers on door and mailers. Mr. Zak noted there is a cost to producing the fliers
and said no strategy will reach the point where everyone feels informed. Mr. Wett said there is apathy
towards government, so mailers may not be as effective as connecting with people through word of mouth.
Ms. Fazekas continued her public comment. She asked the Commission if they were aware of the ProPublica
and Chicago Tribune investigation on children receiving tickets in school. She noted the City and School District
have approved an agreement to increase the number of School Resource Officers by two, with an option for a
third. She said tickets written by the SROs could be costly, the administrative hearing process is not set up for
children and schools are getting around a ban on fining students by making referrals to the police. She said she
has done FOIA requests to obtain local data and believes the practice is a liability to the City since it may result
in civil lawsuits. She discussed the administrative hearing process, noting if fines are not paid up front and the
hearing is missed, the maximum fines and court costs are assessed. She said someone should look into the
administrative hearing process.
Chair Gastiger said if Ms. Fazekas' comments were substantiated by school officials, it would confirm his worst
fears about School Resource Officers. He said the topic is something that should be given close attention by
the Commission and he would ask Police Chief David Byrd and a school official to the next meeting. Ms. King
said school superintendents came to HRC meetings in the past and this would be a good time for the new
DeKalb School District superintendent to attend. Mr. Wett said the Commission may also want to look into the
state of the diversion program. Mr. Charvat noted the Commission could call a special meeting for November
Mr. Wett said they may want to invite a representative from juvenile court services.
Mr. Charvat said he is concerned with the Commission moving to six meetings a year and asked for the
rationale since he believes there are issues for the Commission to consider. He said the Commission also
needs to educate the public on the role of the HRC. Chair Gastiger said that is why he wants to reach out to
PTOs and neighborhood groups.
Mr. Zak questions if clarification was needed on whether the topic of SROs was the purview of the Citizens
Police Review Board. Chair Gastiger said he did not believe so since the topic is not dealing with the behavior
of an individual officer.
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to schedule a special meeting for November. The motion was made by Mr.
Wett and seconded by Ms. Franklin. It was clarified that the meeting would be on Nov. 1. The motion was
approved by unanimous voice vote. Ms. King asked for clarification on the subject of the meeting. Chair
Gastiger said it would be an opportunity to ask frank questions on the criminalization of bad behavior and who
that targets. Ms. King said policy should be reviewed. Mr. Zak noted the agreement with the School District
not only added SROs but also addressed duties and a Code of Conduct.
a. Homelessness in DeKalb, especially though not exclusively among those with debilitating
conditions
Mr. Wett said he has heard concerns about a rise in homelessness and that there are times the Hope Haven
homeless shelter is at capacity. He said an intergovernmental agreement between the City and Park District
may be an option to provide more housing during the winter.
b. Transdev fees and vouchers for nursing home residents
Mr. Wett said Transdev is now charging for door-to-door service for the elderly and disabled. He said the
Commission may want to investigate helping people get vouchers for the service.
2. Announcements
a. This is My Brave performance at the Egyptian Theatre, Thursday, October 13, 7:00 P.M.
Mr. Wett said he will be performing poetry on being a therapist and helping others with their struggles and
there will be other phenomenal performances.
b. Florence Price Concert, performed by the Kishwaukee Symphony Orchestra, Saturday,
October 15, 7:30 P.M.
Chair Gastiger shared the KSO will be performing pieces by Ms. Price, the first African American woman whose
work was performed by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra.
c. Youth Mental Health First Aid Training, Friday, October 21, 8:30-3:30, at the Community
Outreach Building
Ms. King added NIU is celebrating their Homecoming and invited Commissioners to the game and events.
G. Adjournment
Mr. Gilbert motioned to adjourn the meeting, seconded by Ms. King. The motion was approved by unanimous
voice vote. The meeting was declared adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
Scott Zak, Management Analyst & HRC Liaison
Minutes approved by the Human Relations Commission on December 6, 2022.
Agenda
AGENDA
Human Relations Commission Meeting
October 4, 2022
6:00 PM
Note Amended Time
DeKalb Police Department
700 W Lincoln Hwy
2nd Floor Training Room
DeKalb, Illinois 60115
A. Roll Call
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
C. Approval of Minutes – August 2, 2022
D. Public Participation
E. Old Business
1. Progress Report on Redevelopment in the AGN Neighborhood
F. New Business
1. Future Considerations for the HRC
G. Adjournment
Minutes
City of DeKalb
Human Relations Commission
August 2, 2022
The Human Relations Commission (HRC) held a regular meeting on August 2, 2022, in the Second Floor Training
Room at the DeKalb Police Department.
A. Roll Call
The meeting was called to order at 6:03 pm. The following members of the HRC were present: Joe Gastiger
(Chair), Nadine Franklin, Norden Gilbert and Lisa King.
Other City officials/staff present:
• Mayor Cohen Barnes
• City Manager Bill Nicklas
• Scott Zak, Management Analyst and Staff Liaison to the HRC
B. Approval of Agenda – Additions/Deletions
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the agenda. It was motioned by Ms. King and seconded by Ms.
Franklin. The agenda was approved by unanimous voice vote.
C. Approval of Minutes – June 7, 2022 Regular Meeting
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to approve the minutes. Ms. Franklin motioned, seconded by Ms. King. A
minor correction was made. The minutes were approved by unanimous voice vote.
D. Public Participation –
Resident JJ Wett spoke on the frequency of HRC meetings. He recommended the Commission hold regular
meetings quarterly but also hold quarterly listening sessions around the City. Ms. King agreed it would be a
good idea to alternate the ward in which the Commission meets.
E. Old Business
1. Progress Report on the Redevelopment in the AGN Neighborhood
Mayor Barnes shared the City Council is holding two listening sessions to receive community input on the best
uses for the now-vacant, City-owned property at West Hillcrest Drive and Blackhawk Road. During the first
session, the Council heard from a variety of groups, including Opportunity DeKalb, the Greek Row community
and Fox Hollow residents, and heard a variety of ideas, including a grocery store and a cafeteria for Greek
housing. Input will also be gathered by the Opportunity DeKalb organization, which is holding sessions on the
larger Annie Glidden North neighborhood, and Mayor Barnes said City officials are hearing ideas from people
individually.
The merits of different ideas for the Blackhawk/Hillcrest property were discussed, and it was noted operation
costs must be considered, so the development will be a public/private partnership. Chair Gastiger asked if
there have been conversations with Kishwaukee College on a job training site, noting a satellite site would
eliminate the obstacle of traveling to the College. Mayor Barnes added that soft skills training is also vital, so
job training should be kept top of mind. Ms. King suggested the City check with the Mariano’s grocery store
chain, which has opened stores in low-income areas of Chicago.
F. New Business
1. Discussion on HRC meeting schedule
Chair Gastiger recalled past accomplishments of the Commission, including investigating concerns
involving policing, advocating for the LGBT and disabled communities, responding to concerns raised
during the Black Lives Matter movement and an overhaul of the Tenant/Landlord Handbook. He said
the question now is what’s next.
City Manager Nicklas shared the Economic Development Commission recently had the very same
conversation and agreed to change from meeting on a regular schedule to ad hoc meetings called by
the Mayor or a majority of the Commission. He said this might be a good option for the HRC, especially
now the Citizens’ Police Review Board has been created to address policing issues. Mayor Barnes said
his concern is using the time of City staff and Commissioners to hold monthly meetings when there
may be no need to meet. City Manager Nicklas said he does not anticipate adding staff for the City’s 14
commissions since the City is instead staffing up for operations in the Fire, Police and Public Works
departments. He added the mission of the new Belonging Council overlaps that of the HRC.
Ms. King said her concern is the work of the HRC will be reduced along with its schedule. She said a
future Mayor might discourage the Commission from meeting and that having meetings monthly
makes the HRC accessible to the community. Chair Gastiger said he would not support meeting only at
the Mayor’s discretion, but Mayor Barnes reminded the Commission would also be able to call their
own meetings.
City Manager Nicklas said another option would be for the Commission to do its own work, including
keeping minutes.
It was noted the Finance Advisory Committee also meets on demand, but Ms. King said the nature of
finance is different and the HRC is meeting the needs of those who historically do not have access to
government. City Manager Nicklas noted most issues addressed by the HRC have originated from the
Commission.
Mr. Gilbert suggested meeting every other month but would like to continue meeting on a regular
basis.
Ms. Franklin said she agreed the Commission does not need to meet monthly and suggested it go out
into the community so more residents know the HRC exists. She would also like to see the City give the
Commission work to do.
As discussion on the meeting options continued, Mayor Barnes noted it could be difficult to come up
with work for the Commission since there are now new organizations working on specific areas the
HRC has addressed in the past. The conversation turned to possible work for the Commission. Chair
Gastiger said he would like to see a universal intake form created for those needing social services
perhaps along with a staffed office. City Manager Nicklas noted Opportunity DeKalb may eventually
have an office. Mr. Gilbert said the City can come to the HRC to give input on items. Chair Gastiger said
a collaborative project can be done with Opportunity DeKalb to compile the services that agencies
provide.
The discussion returned to the meeting schedule, and Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to change the
Commission’s meeting schedule to every other month. Mr. Gilbert motioned the recommendation be
made to the City Council, seconded by Ms. King. The motion was approved by unanimous voice vote.
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion for the Commission to investigate the possibility of meeting in the
City’s different wards to get input from citizens. The motion was made by Ms. King, seconded by Ms.
Franklin. Chair Gastiger added that could mean attending other meetings, such as PTO meetings, and
Ms. King suggested attending ward meetings held by City Council members. The motion was approved
by unanimous voice vote.
City Manager Nicklas noted if the Commission meets at remote locations, meeting places will need to
be arranged and proper notice will need to be made as required by the Open Meetings Act. Chair
Gastiger questioned whether the full commission would meet at a remote site or rather one or two
members would attend other group’s meetings to introduce the HRC. Mayor Barnes supported the
second idea and said he would be interested in joining those introductions. The discussion will
continue at the next meeting.
G. Adjournment
Chair Gastiger asked for a motion to adjourn the meeting. Ms. Franklin made the motion, seconded by Ms.
King. The motion was approved by unanimous voice vote. The meeting was declared adjourned at 7:30 p.m.
The next meeting is October 4.
Scott Zak, Management Analyst & HRC Liaison
Minutes approved by the Human Relations Commission on October 4, 2022.