Ad Hoc Audit Committee
Regular MeetingLansing, MI · October 28, 2024
Minutes
MINUTES
Ad Hoc Audit Committee
Monday, October 28, 2024 @ 4:00 p.m.
City Council Conference Room
CALL TO ORDER
Council Member Spadafore called the meeting to order at 4:01 p.m.
PRESENT
Council Member Peter Spadafore, Chair
Council Member Tamera Carter, Vice Chair
Council Member Trini Pehlivanoglu, Member
OTHERS PRESENT
Sherrie Boak, Council Office Manager
Charles Randall, Internal Auditor
Lisa Hagen- Lawrence, OCA
Desiree Kirkland, Finance
Minutes
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 7,
2024 AS PRESENTED. MOTION CARRIED 3-0.
Public Comment
No public comment at this time.
Discussion/Action:
DISCUSSION – Annual Audit Plan as Proposed by Internal Auditor
DISCUSSION – Internal Auditor Audit Schedule
Council Member Spadafore noted that since 10/7/2024 the Internal Auditor has been working on
documents.
Mr. Randall went over the “Crash Course” document in the packet. He noted this matches with
the IAA – Internal Audit Association. Outlined next was the Ad Hoc Audit Committee role providing
guidance and oversight. Mr. Randall summarized where this all fits within the organization.
Included in the document was a Internal Audit Three Lines Model along with how those are
performed in the audit process.
Council Member Spadafore asked Mr. Randall to define “risk”, and he stated “risk” which is the
possibility of something bad happening; what could go wrong, and how do we prevent or address
the impact. This about managing the day to day activities.
Council Member Carter asked for the introduce meeting, is there a time frame. Mr. Randall stated
the timing is depending on activities that are coming up, but his role is to be respective of their
responsibilities but also laying out the timeline of his audit to collaborate with the departments.
Council Member Pehlivanoglu asked about the interviews, and who those people would be. Mr.
Randall stated this would be with the key individuals to map out what is going on with the audit.
It would be more detailed in the understanding, and the interviews with management would have
been in the initial request.
Mr. Randall then went through a handout distributed at the meeting on an example of Intern
Control Audit Strategy. This outlined accuracy and valuation, existence, completeness, rights
and obligations. There would also be the population, the scope before the testing of the internal
controls. If there is a reconciliation performed, will it be performed the same every time.
Lastly, Mr. Randall went through the draft audit plan which list out the categories in the Charter.
Things adherent to the position, key activities to perform throughout the year, who is key in the
organization, expense/disbursement focus, internal controls, monitor material changes,
processes and systems. To start he noted he would start looking at samples per month, any
findings, then coming towards year end finalizing. Regarding material changes, monitoring key
project management activities; milestones being met, as systems implemented monitoring to
make sure those steps are continuing. Regarding internal controls of financial reporting; material
weaknesses, significant deficiency in processing of payroll; compliance with laws.
Council Member Carter asked about the timeline on monthly samplings; will that report back to
Ad Hoc or the full Council. Mr. Randall stated it would be Ad Hoc, and Council Member Spadafore
noted then this Committee would report out.
Council Member Spadafore asked if with the audit plan can be a defined plan on when those
engagement letters would be coming, and Mr. Randall confirmed. He was asked to refine the
plan by the next meeting on November 18, 2024.
Mr. Randall asked the Committee if there was anything specific the Committee wants added. The
Committee consensus was interested in the calendar for the next year on which departments.
Council Member Carter asked if the Mayor response would be back to the Ad Hoc. Council
Member Spadafore asked OCA that the Mayor adhere to the Charter. Ms. Hagen-Lawrence read
the Charter stated it is referred to the Mayor, but no response. It indicates it is a presentation to
the full Council on the report, and it be provided to the Mayor, but she did not see any requirement
from the Mayor. (4-102.6) does speak to response from the Mayor, within 30 days and
recommendation to irregularities. It is not in the Internal Auditor section of the Charter but in the
Mayor. Where there is a irregularity, presented to Council, provided to Administration, then within
30 days Mayor can respond to the report.
Council Member Pehlivanoglu asked Mr. Randall, that if when he goes through the process if he
does not have the resources, please let the Ad Hoc Committee aware.
Council Member Spadafore noted that by November 18th the Committee should be firming up
what to present to the full Council in December.
OTHER
No other topics of discussion.
ADJOURN
Adjourned at 4:26 p.m.
Submitted by, Sherrie Boak,
Recording Secretary,
Lansing City Council
Approved by the Committee on November 18, 2024
Agenda
AGENDA
Ad Hoc Audit Committee
October 28, 2024 at 4:00 PM
Lansing City Hall, City Council Conference Room
124 W. Michigan Avenue, 10th Floor
To provide input or ask questions on any item that is listed on the agenda,
members of the public may contact the City Council at city.council@lansingmi.gov or (517) 483-4177 prior to the meeting.
To participate in public comment and view the meeting live: https://www.lansingmi.gov/1212/Council-Committee-Meetings
Councilmember Peter Spadafore, Chairperson
Councilmember Tamera Carter, Vice Chairperson
Councilmember Trini Pehlivanoglu, Member
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Minutes
A. October 7, 2024
4. Public Comment on Agenda Items (Up to 3 Minutes)
5. Discussion/Action:
B. DISCUSSION - Annual Audit Plan as Proposed by Internal Auditor
C. DISCUSSION - Internal Auditor Audit Schedule
6. Other
7. Adjourn
Persons with disabilities who need an accommodation to fully participate in these meetings should contact the City
Council Office at 517-483-4177 (TTY 711) 24 hour notice may be needed for certain accommodations. An attempt
will be made to grant all reasonable accommodation requests.
Packet
AGENDA
Ad Hoc Audit Committee
October 28, 2024 at 4:00 PM
Lansing City Hall, City Council Conference Room
124 W. Michigan Avenue, 10th Floor
To provide input or ask questions on any item that is listed on the agenda,
members of the public may contact the City Council at city.council@lansingmi.gov or (517) 483-4177 prior to the meeting.
To participate in public comment and view the meeting live: https://www.lansingmi.gov/1212/Council-Committee-Meetings
Councilmember Peter Spadafore, Chairperson
Councilmember Tamera Carter, Vice Chairperson
Councilmember Trini Pehlivanoglu, Member
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Minutes
A. October 7, 2024
4. Public Comment on Agenda Items (Up to 3 Minutes)
5. Discussion/Action:
B. DISCUSSION - Annual Audit Plan as Proposed by Internal Auditor
C. DISCUSSION - Internal Auditor Audit Schedule
6. Other
7. Adjourn
Persons with disabilities who need an accommodation to fully participate in these meetings should contact the City
Council Office at 517-483-4177 (TTY 711) 24 hour notice may be needed for certain accommodations. An attempt
will be made to grant all reasonable accommodation requests.
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DRAFT
MINUTES
Ad Hoc Audit Committee
Monday, October 7, 2024 @ 3:00 p.m.
City Council Conference Room
CALL TO ORDER
Council Member Spadafore called the meeting to order at 3:00 p.m.
PRESENT
Council Member Peter Spadafore, Chair
Council Member Tamera Carter, Vice Chair
Council Member Trini Pehlivanoglu, Member
OTHERS PRESENT
Sherrie Boak, Council Office Manager
Charles Randall, Internal Auditor
Greg Venker, OCA
Lisa Hagen- Lawrence, OCA
Public Comment
No public comment at this time.
Discussion/Action:
Council Member Spadafore acknowledged the Committee and the experiences they will bring to
the Ad Hoc.
DISCUSSION – Committee Charge
Council Member Spadafore noted this will be for the auditor to provide oversight to the Council
and also to evaluate if this should be a standing Committee.
There needs to be an annual audit plan by December 16, 2024, so there should be a brief
housekeeping then work towards that goal.
DISCUSSION – Internal Auditor Duties
The Charter speaks to the Internal Auditor, and the only position the Council is required to hire.
The Charter lists 9 duties of power, and he read them to the group 3-402 Powers and duties of
Internal Auditor. This Committee role is to help set an audit schedule and see course of action.
This would be to take the information and suggest policy changes if needed. There has been a
change to allow the Internal Auditor have access, but there has been issue with annual audits, so
this Committee can look into that. Regarding .4, it was not done at the end of the fiscal year,
but it should be as item 1 on the list. Mr. Randall noted that the external audit has not been
completed yet so it might not be done immediately. It was confirmed that should be discussed
for a timeline. Regarding .6 will be addressed as soon as other items are accomplished.
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DRAFT
Regarding .9, regarding the budget of the Internal Auditor it might need to be looked into, and if
work is not able to be done on an annul basis this would address that.
DISCUSSION – Review of Previous Work of Audit Committee
Council Member Spadafore referred to the detailed audit plan from former auditor Eric Brewer,
looking at where there were risks and something for the Committee to evaluate. Page 13 of the
packet outlines risk of irregularities. It is not a suggestion to go through all of it, but for the files
and public record.
OTHER
Mr. Randall spoke on the work in the packet, noting the review was a good background, and they
should be aware that it identifies all the auditable units. Part of that he can break down and get
a scope how large and small they are, what different risks are between them, and different criteria
of each agency. Page 19 brings it together on where to focus on, which ones are high risk. Mr.
Randall noted he had the same methodology; interview people to see what they think are high
risk. Depending on defining what is an agency, but to look at each agency at a minimum level so
they are aware he is looking at everyone. As far as his budget, different memberships he would
want could total $1,000 let alone continued education certifications.
Council Member Spadafore asked to set a schedule when to meet. He proposed once a month
before Committee of the Whole, 4th Monday October 28th at 4 pm; November 18th at 4 pm;
December 9th at 4 pm, then regroup for 2025.
Council Member Spadafore asked Mr. Randall to look at the packet items and put together a
schedule for the Ad Hoc for their three set meetings; audit all departments, external audit, Capital
Improvement Plan. In addition, the internal auditor would have meetings with others in the
organization that might also bring up other things that come across the desk of the audit. Mr.
Randall noted there is a normal review of the budget as well. Council Member Spadafore
acknowledged that historically the auditor works with Council for their budget, and then during the
budget season the auditor works with Council to delve deeper into the budget during the budget
season. There will be a learning period over the next 6 months.
ADJOURN
Adjourned at 3:20 p.m.
Submitted by, Sherrie Boak,
Recording Secretary,
Lansing City Council
Approved by the Committee on
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CITY OF LANSING
INTERNAL AUDITOR
124 W MICHIGAN AVE FL 10
LANSING MI 48933-1605
(517) 483-4159
Fax (517) 483-7630
INTERNAL AUDIT – Crash Course
Why is there Internal Audit?
City Charter
401.1 - Staffed by qualified person.
401.2 - Organizationally independent.
402 – Powers & Duties:
.1 Evaluate planning and budgeting.
.2 Audit financial transactions. Allowed Access to Records
.3 Reports Independently following items to City Council, Mayor, City Clerk
(a) Testing criteria - Examine finance items. Assess compliance with laws regulations
(b) Process Efficiency - Use of resources
(c) Meeting management expectations
.4 Report annual analysis of financial position to public record
.5 Report review of effective administration and performance of agencies to City Council,
Mayor, City Clerk
.6 Report any irregularities or errors to City Council & Mayor, Mayor respond w/n 30 days w/
action plan
.7 Evaluate Capital Improvement Plan
.8 Not audit BWL
.9 Have adequate resources to perform audits
403 - Independent in fact
404 - External audit report on internal audit activities / spending – not exempt from external
audit.
Internal Audit Association (IIA) – Purpose Statement
Internal auditing strengthens the organization’s ability to create, protect, and sustain value by
providing the board and management with independent, risk-based, and objective assurance,
advice, insight, and foresight.
Internal auditing is most effective when:
• It is performed by competent professionals…
• The internal audit function is independently positioned with direct accountability to the
board.
• Internal auditors are free from undue influence and committed to making objective
assessments.
Internal audit functions in the public sector are often required to focus on:
• Compliance with laws and/or regulations.
• Improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and economy of government processes and programs.
• Determining whether public resources are adequately safeguarded and used appropriately…
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• Assessing whether an organization’s performance aligns with its strategic objectives and
goals
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What is the Ad-Hoc Audit Committee’s role?
City Resolution
Provide guidance and oversight to internal auditor as they:
Perform responsibilities
Create and review audit plans
Evaluate financial position of the City
Make recommendation to implement permanent Audit Committee
Report Annual audit plan & status of previous audit findings by December 16, 2024
Internal Audit Association (IIA) – Committee Charter
Provides independent oversight of organization’s governance, risk management and internal
control practices.
Where does all this fit into an organization?
Organizations are generally comprised of a governing body and an executive / management body.
Here, City Council is the governing body while Mayor’s Office is executive / management body.
The governing body ensures structures and processes are in place for accountability of organization
objectives to stakeholders (citizens) and enable actions by management to achieve these
organizational objectives. Colloquially, governing bodies should keep their “noses in, fingers out”.
Management achieves organizational objectives by using a risk-based decision-making approach in
the application of resources. Management has two roles to achieve these objectives: 1) direct
delivery of products and/or services to clients and, 2) active management of risk. Each role group
has internal controls to mitigate the occurrence of risks.
Internal audit adds a third role to the organization through independent and objective assurance and
advice on the adequacy and effectiveness of governance and risk management.
The term ‘risk’ is generally described as the possibility of something bad happening. Consider that
some bad things are worse than other bad things. Also consider that regardless of what is done to
prevent or detect (control) this bad thing from happening, it still might occur. And just in case, if it’s a
really bad thing, then the effect of it occurring might be minimize or mitigated. An example is house
insurance. Preventative building standards (controls) are set and inspectors verify (audit) their
implementation. Homeowners install fire alarms (controls) to detect fires. The fire department will try
to contain the fire (mitigate). But loss can be offset (mitigated) by insurance.
These roles are traditionally defined as ‘lines’. However, they are not intended to denote structural
elements of the organization but a useful differentiation of roles. Here is a visual representation from
IIA.
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How does this Internal Audit happen? What do they do?
Auditing provides independent, risk-based, and objective assurance, advice, insight, and foresight.
This is done through a process that aligns audit project objective(s) with the work performed that
supports meaningful reports….the audit process.
The testing or auditing methodology are based upon the objective of the audit.
• Internal controls testing evaluates effectiveness of risk management.
• Substantive procedures test defined objectives (compliance with laws and regulations, detect
material misstatement of a reported number).
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CITY OF LANSING
INTERNAL AUDITOR
124 W MICHIGAN AVE FL 10
LANSING MI 48933-1605
(517) 483-4159
Fax (517) 483-7630
2024 / 2025 - INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN - DRAFT
1) Prescribed Internal Auditor Activities
a. Evaluate Planning and Budgeting (3-402.1) – Priorities, department budget review, CIP
budget review, carryforward requests, adoption resolution. Ways & Means resolutions.
b. Evaluate Capital Improvement Plan (3-402.7) – Project management, reporting and
monitoring controls.
c. Analysis of Financial Condition (3-402.4)
i. Annual Comprehensive Finance Report (ACFR)
ii. Long-term debt binder
iii. BWL annual financial report
2) Position Inherent Activities
a. Council department budget proposal & spend status
b. Claims review committee – Member
c. LEPFA Board - Member
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3) Planned Audit Activities (3-402.2 & .3)
a. Internal Control audits of processes, procedures and documentation with a focus on prior
audit findings, key activity controls and management monitoring controls.
i. Processes: Expense / Disbursements focus while learning new accounting system
1. Payroll – Examination of recurring payroll transactions (hourly and salary) and
consideration for prior audit findings.
2. Purchase To Pay – Examination of on-going invoice processing.
3. Expense Report – Review of on-going expense report processing.
ii. Scope: Determined based upon standardization of internal controls / sub-processes.
1. If timesheets are both paper and electronic; then sampling and testing of each
population is done separately as they are different sub-processes.
2. Department / auditable unit agnostic. A department / group with more
transactions has a statistically higher chance of having a sample tested, but
samples will not have a pro-rata type allocation. E.g. 100 total: 10 for Department
X, 25 for Department Y, 65 for Department Z.
iii. Timeline: Monthly sampling to begin when audit plan is approved and continue until
new audit plan is approved.
iv. Reporting: Monthly status reporting with updating of samples tested, errors /
irregularities found and sampling plans for subsequent month. Final summary report
to be submitted the month before new audit plan is submitted.
b. Monitor material changes to people, processes and systems, or material activities.
(3-401.5)
i. BS&A Implementation for Finance / Accounting – Project management, key
application controls (access segregation of duties, power users / administration
accounts), and reporting.
ii. External audit (3-401.3(a) & .6) – Opening and reporting meeting with council
member.
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c. Monitoring of audit issue remediation in accordance with management corrective action
plan. FYE 2022 and 2023 external auditor findings. (3-401.3(a) & .5 & .6)
i. Internal controls of financial reporting
1. Material weakness regarding the untimely recording of year-end close journal
entries.
Condition Criteria
Multiple material journal entries were needed after Closing of the books follow prescribed procedures
year-end close and during the external audit, (checklist) to ensure expected AJE topics are
resulting in revised trial balances and financial analyzed and recorded. Procedures include timing
statements. and data requirements to enable management of
reconciliations and entries.
2. Significant deficiency in the processing of payroll.
Condition Criteria
Payroll isn't approved at the department level prior Department level payroll review before
to disbursement. disbursement. Detect unusual, fraudulent or
expected changes in transactions.
ii. Compliance with laws and regulations
Expenditures exceeding approved budgets (Public Act 621 of 1978, as amend)
Condition Criteria
Expenditures exceeded approved budget for areas When overage becomes apparent, budget must be
of General Fund and certain Special Revenue Funds. amended to approve additional appropriations.
4) Ad-Hoc Activities
Respond to council requests through ad-hoc committee.
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