Committee on Public Service
Regular MeetingLansing, MI · June 4, 2019
Minutes
MINUTES
Committee on Public Service
Tuesday, June 4, 2019 @ 4:00 p.m.
City Hall, Conference Room, 10th Floor
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 4:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Council Member Peter Spadafore, Chair
Council Member Kathie Dunbar, Vice Chair- excused
Council Member Jeremy Garza, Member
OTHERS PRESENT
Sherrie Boak, Council Office Manager
Greg Venker, Assistant City Attorney
Public Comments
No public comments.
Minutes
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GARZA TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MAY 21,
2019. MOTION CARRIED 2-0.
Discussion
RESOLUTION – Set Public Hearing; Special Assessment on Snow and Ice Removal; winter
2018-2019
Council Member Spadafore outlined the resolution which confirmed that under Chapter
1020.06, after a notice to the owner, if the snow and ice is not removed, then the City will
remove and bill for cost. The time line to remove is 48 hours after a snow fall, and 24 hours
after receiving notice. This past year, the Mayor did extend those dates due to the extreme
weather. Council Member Spadafore went on to state that anyone receiving notice they have
a special assessment, will need to attend the hearing in person or submit an appeal in writing
for the Committee to consider their appeal. The Committee discussed the rates, appearing
that $149 was the per incident rate based on time and length of sidewalk. After the appeals it
will go back to Council to adopt the final roll and then onto the Assessor to place on the winter
2019 taxes. Council Member Spadafore concluded that Public Service should be made aware
again that efforts to have this roll done sooner should be made so any assessments can
appear on the summer taxes.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GARZA TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TO SET THE
PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SNOW AND ICE REMOVAL SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR
JULY 8, 2019. MOTION CARRIED 2-0.
Other
Council Member Garza commented he will follow up with Public Service at a future meeting on
any progress at Ellendale traffic and any work on Schafer.
Council Member Spadafore noted to the Committee that the progress they have taken on the
future “blue bags” and material management is still being researched and will be brought at a
future meeting.
ADJOURN
The meeting was adjourned at 4:05 p.m.
Submitted by Sherrie Boak,
Recording Secretary
Lansing City Council
Approved: June 18, 2019
Agenda
AGENDA
Committee on Public Services
Tuesday, June 4, 2019 @ 4:00 p.m.
City Council Conference Room, City Hall 10th Floor
Council Member Peter Spadafore, Chair
Council Member Kathie Dunbar, Vice Chair
Council Member Jeremy Garza, Member
1) Call to Order
2) Public Comment on Agenda Items
3) Minutes
May 21, 2019
4) Discussion/Action:
A.) RESOLUTION – Set Public Hearing; Special Assessment on Snow and
Ice Removal; Winter 2018-2019
5) Other
6) Adjourn
DRAFT
MINUTES
Committee on Public Service
Tuesday, May 21, 2019 @ 4:00 p.m.
City Hall, Conference Room, 10th Floor
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 4:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Council Member Peter Spadafore, Chair
Council Member Kathie Dunbar, Vice Chair- excused
Council Member Jeremy Garza, Member
OTHERS PRESENT
Sherrie Boak, Council Office Manager
Greg Venker, Assistant City Attorney
Andy Kilpatrick, Public Service Director
Kerrin O’Brien
Sean Hammond, Michigan Environmental Council
Public Comments
No public comments.
Minutes
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GARZA TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MAY 21,
2019. MOTION CARRIED 2-0.
Discussion
Mr. Kilpatrick informed the Committee of their work on a plan to replace the current blue bags
with something else. He stated they are looking at a low cost alternative, in a cart style. This
would allow them to know where the customers are and not have to drive every street looking
for the blue bags. This program will be phased out over 6 months and they plan to stop selling
the blue bags at the end of June, but still will pick up for 2-3 months. The City will have to buy
back from the retailers who currently purchased them to sell and will provide a credit for those
residents that have them at home when they get their new cart bill. Council Member Garza
asked what will happen in six (6) months if someone still puts out a bag, and Mr. Kilpatrick
stated they will still pick up bags, but will set a deadline or tentatively September. This will all
be part of the plan they are working on. Currently it is not cost effective for City trucks to drive
every street looking for bags, and they are investigating even going every other week for the
carts. This could bring down the cost for everyone, but won’t know the costs savings until
after the first year. Council Member Spadafore asked how much it would cost to bring the City
fleet to capacity, and Mr. Kilpatrick stated that trash and recycling use the same truck and yard
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waste is a different truck, but trash fees are competing with private companies, so that would
subsidize if this was giving the City more. The program should be self-supporting with the
rental rates. Long term with the liabilities, the City subsidizes all enterprise funds, but with the
fleet they will have to look at all the ages of the trucks, upkeep, etc. Council Member
Spadafore asked if in the road and environmental aspect if there are more savings, and Mr.
Kilpatrick acknowledged that in the second phase they will look at trash operations since there
are currently 3 licensed haulers along with the City and they need to see how to have a single
provider in an area, because it does not make sense to have multiple trucks on streets all in
the same day.
Council Member Spadafore asked Mr. Venker if there is a City Ordinance that speaks to the
use of blue bags that will need to be amended, and referred to Section 1060.
Mr. Kilpatrick did note that before they begin the program they will educate the residents on
the program and once they no longer have bags they can look at the true cost for the
customers to make operation more efficient. Council Member Spadafore asked why they are
were looking at carts vs. stickers on bags. Mr. Kilpatrick stated that stickers are a liability
issue, but a cart they can pull away from the curb, and if you do not put a cart out, the program
could do a technology of you only pay when it is picked up. He noted that some carts do have
a RFID tag on them now for inventory, but they could put the technology on the truck arm to
see when picked up and also to see if they have paid before they pick up. Council Member
Spadafore inquired into the cost and timeline on making that technology possible, and Mr.
Kilpatrick confirmed they are currently testing it just on the carts. They are going to eliminate
the bags first as step one. Other things to consider for cost savings would be yard waste pick
up, which currently runs from April through November, they could designated a shorter period
of time and then take in drop off Council Member Spadafore then asked if they have
considered food waste collection and Mr. Kilpatrick stated they currently do commercial on a
limited basis.
Mr. Hammond spoke on behalf of what the State is doing in discussions, changing the topic to
“material management” and considering a “pay as you throw” model. Ms. O’Brien asked if the
City was considering sticker. Mr. Kilpatrick stated they had not, but Granger is selling bag
tags, but the City is not changing their bulk sticker program. Ms. O’Brien spoke in support of
the RFID program.
Council Member Spadafore asked Mr. Kilpatrick for an update the Emterra project site. Mr.
Kilpatrick confirmed they are still looking at sites.
Council Member Spadafore then spoke in support of a discussion on a long term vision for
materials management in the City, a program to incentivize for reducing costs such as the
RIFD tags. There is a business side and what do the residents want, and if the City is going to
get out of the business of trash collection, then there needs to be a thought on why consider
buying more carts. Council Member Spadafore then informed everyone present that there are
concerns for what the cost will do to impact the residents. Mr. Kilpatrick stated the cart will
hold two kitchen size bags, but not two blue bags, so that would be 32 gallons every other
week. If the process does not work, they can go back to bags, but in the end they will always
pick up. Council Member Garza asked for a rough estimate on the cost, Mr. Kilpatrick noted
that a small cart (32 gallon) would be $123. He was then asked about City staff that will be
impacted, and he stated there are six (6) employees but it would not impact their jobs. Lastly
Council Member Spadafore asked if they have considered a low income rate, and Mr.
Kilpatrick stated they could look into it.
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Other
Council Member Garza asked for an update from Mr. Kilpatrick on a meeting he head with the
Public Service Department on Schafer Road. Mr. Kilpatrick confirmed they went on site, one
neighbor cleaned out their culvert and the departments did an elevation evaluation. Council
Member Garza then asked for a traffic study on Ellendale Drive, and Mr. Kilpatrick stated he
would look into the last time one was done.
Council Member Spadafore informed Mr. Kilpatrick that the bike lane safety measures that
were discussed at the last meeting were added as budget polices for FY2019/2020 and
adopted Monday, May 20, 2019.
ADJOURN
The meeting was adjourned at 4:50 p.m.
Submitted by Sherrie Boak,
Recording Secretary
Lansing City Council
Approved: _____________________
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