Plan Commission
Regular MeetingLombard, IL · January 27, 2014
Minutes
Village Hall
Village of Lombard 255 East Wilson Ave.
Lombard, IL 60148
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Minutes
Plan Commission
Donald F. Ryan, Chairperson
Commissioners: Ronald Olbrysh, Martin Burke,
Ruth Sweetser, Andrea Cooper, Stephen Flint and
John Mrofcza
Staff Liaison: William Heniff
Monday, January 27, 2014 7:30 PM Village Hall - Board Room
Call to Order
Chairperson Ryan called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m
Pledge of Allegiance
Chairperson Ryan led the Pledge of Allegiance.
Roll Call
Present 6 - Donald F. Ryan, Ronald Olbrysh, Martin Burke, Ruth Sweetser, Andrea
Cooper, and John Mrofcza
Absent 1 - Stephen Flint
Also present: Jennifer Ganser, Assistant Director of Community
Development; Matt Panfil, Sr. Planner, and Jason Guisinger, legal
counsel to the Plan Commission.
Chairperson Ryan called the order of the agenda.
Public Hearings
130661 PC 14-01: 127 Eisenhower Lane South (Request to withdraw by
petitioner)
Requests that the Village grant a conditional use, pursuant to Section
155.420 (C) of the Zoning Ordinance, to allow for a Learning Center
(indoor athletic training facility) within the I Limited Industrial District.
(DISTRICT # 3)
A motion was made by Ruth Sweetser, seconded by John Mrofcza, that this
petition be withdrawn. The motion carried by the following vote:
Aye: 5- Ronald Olbrysh, Martin Burke, Ruth Sweetser, Andrea Cooper, and John
Mrofcza
Absent: 1- Stephen Flint
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140028 PC 14-02: Text Amendment to Village Parking Space, Aisle, and
Module Dimensional Standards
The Village of Lombard is proposing the following text amendments to
the Lombard Zoning Ordinance:
1) An amendment to Section 155.602 (A)(5), and any other
sections for clarity, adding provisions regarding the size of
off-street parking spaces designated specifically for business,
employee, and compact vehicles; and
2) An amendment to Section 155.602 (C), including Figure 6-1 and
Table 6-2, regarding specific parking space, aisle, and module
dimensional standards. (DISTRICTS - ALL)
Ms. Ganser read the Rules of Procedures as written in the Plan
Commission By-Laws.
Chairperson Ryan asked if any person would like to speak in favor or
against this petition, or for public comment. Hearing none, he asked
for the staff report.
Mr. Panfil, Sr. Planner, presented the staff report, which was
submitted to the public record in its entirety. Mr. Panfil stated that
planning staff undertook a comparative analysis of the Zoning
Ordinance’s existing parking space, aisle, and module dimensions
against current industry standards, particularly the forty-five degree
(45°) and sixty degree (60°) angled parking spaces. Finding relatively
significant differences, staff is proposing text amendments to bring the
Village’s standards more in line with today’s professional engineering
standards. The proposed text amendments were developed in
cooperation with the Village’s traffic consultant, Javier Millan, of KLOA
Inc.
Second, planning staff saw an opportunity to further modernize the
Village’s parking regulations by providing new provisions for business,
employee, and compact vehicles within business-oriented zoning
districts. Similar to when the Village approved a reduced parking
space width for commuter parking lots, staff suggests that business
and employee vehicles do not experience the same rate of parking
turnover as customer vehicles and are therefore more suitable for
narrower spaces.
Referencing comments in the IDRC report, Mr. Panfil explained that
the Fire Department and Private Engineering Service’s initial concerns
were already addressed in the amendments currently proposed. After
discussions with both departments, staff opted for standards
established by the Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE) rather
than the original proposal which was based on standards from the
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Urban Land Institute (ULI).
Specifically, staff’s first recommendation is to add text regarding
parking in the B Districts. In the B1, B2, B3, B4, B4A, B5 and B5A
Districts the width of parking spaces shall not be less than nine feet
(9’), zero (0”) inches. Staff suggests the additional phrasing,
“However, parking spaces that exceed the minimum amount of
parking spaces as required by Table 6-3 of this ordinance may be
reduced in width to no less than eight feet (8’), three inches (3”),
provided that the reduced spaces are specifically designated for
business, employee, and/or compact vehicles.” Mr. Panfil then
explained that eight feet (8’), three inch (3”) wide parking spaces are
already allowed in the O Office and I Industrial District.
Mr. Panfil reviewed the forty-five degree (45°) and sixty degree (60°)
parking space dimensions. In 2005, the Plan Commission approved
text amendments regarding the parking space, aisle, and module
dimensions for parallel and ninety-degree (90°) parking spaces. The
standards established in 2005 are still adequate in comparison to
current industry standards.
Mr. Panfil showed a few aerial images of where in the Village one can
find forty-five degree (45°) and sixty degree (60°) parking in town. He
noted that most of the angled parking in town is ninety degrees (90°),
which generally proves to be most efficient.
Mr. Panfil then referenced a series of graphics illustrating the
proposed recommendations in comparison to the existing dimensions.
Mr. Panfil noted that the proposed text amendment would not create
any nonconformities, as the proposed text amendment actually lessen
the existing standards in their recognition that not all parking space,
aisle, and module dimensions need to be as large as currently
required.
Chairperson Ryan asked for public comment, and, hearing none,
opened the meeting for comments among the Commissioners.
Commissioner Mrofcza asked if this proposal is to shorten the length
of the parking stall in order to get a wider parking aisle. He is
concerned that we would reduce the width of the parking lot and hope
everyone pulls all the way into the stall. He stated it is only a more
productive use of the space if everyone is compliant. He is
apprehensive about shortening the length of the stall and is not
convinced that cars today are shorter and notices there are many
SUVs and pickup trucks on the road.
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Commissioner Sweetser observed when using the commuter parking
lot at the former DuPage Theater site that it is almost impossible
parking next to a large vehicle. She said if the large vehicle is within
the yellow lines it is barely within the yellow lines and you practically
cannot get out of your car. She stated that this may or may not
pertain to this item but it may pertain to a compact car section and a
SUV section.
Mr. Panfil explained those parking spaces are eight foot (8’) three
inches (3”) wide. He was not sure of the drive aisle but he said that it
is probably similar in width to staff’s proposed dimensions.
Commissioner Sweetser said there needs to be some flexibility in the
situation she just described so it would not be replicated.
Mr. Panfil replied to keep in mind the business districts minimum is
nine feet (9’). The eight foot (8’) three inches (3”) width is only allowed
once a business has reached the minimum provided amount of nine
foot wide spaces.
Commissioner Sweetser thought the situation could still happen and
did not know if staff still wanted to facilitate that situation further.
Commissioner Mrofcza asked if there has been a specific need to
address reducing the size of the parking lot to accommodate the same
number of cars. Mr. Panfil explained it has been brought forward by a
couple of businesses, most notably the Yorktown Shopping Center.
Commissioner Cooper asked if staff has information regarding
dimensions of standard vehicles. Mr. Panfil said staff does not have
the information on hand but he referred to the cars in the graphics as
being to scale.
Commissioner Cooper asked if staff has the current parking
dimensions at Yorktown. Mr. Panfil said staff did not have the
dimensions on hand but could provide more information.
Commissioner Olbrysh referred to the diagrams and said he did not
think the vehicles are a representation of what exists on the road
today. He thought the majority of the cars today are SUVs, trucks and
vans, over sedans. Mr. Panfil explained these vehicles in the diagram
are just a sample of sizes.
Commissioner Burke asked if Yorktown, as an example, would be
required to provide nine foot (9’) parking spaces. Mr. Panfil explained
if they have a number of surplus spaces over the minimum required,
they can then designate some of them as smaller spaces.
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Commissioner Burke asked when they assign the spaces as eight foot
(8’) three inches (3”) if they have to assign them as compact cars. Mr.
Panfil said the way the text is written they could designate them as
compact or employee/business vehicles.
Chairperson Ryan asked if Yorktown would have the choice of where
those parking spaces would be located. For instance, if they have
2,500 parking spaces and 2,000 spaces are required could they move
the 500 spaces up front close to the store. Mr. Panfil explained it
would be up to the business to decide, they could make some of the
spots up front for compact cars.
Commissioner Burke referred to the diagrams and noted in depiction
of the proposed angles, the vehicle is over the line in three out of the
four examples. Mr. Panfil explained there would be some overhang
for some of the larger vehicles.
Commissioner Burke said he understands we are trying to upgrade
our standards however he is concerned with the snow piling up and
the parking space being shorter. Mr. Panfil stated that he understood
that the snow is going to occupy some of the spaces however with the
design there should be more spaces available. Ms. Ganser added
these parking spaces are extra and only in addition to the required
nine foot (9’) wide parking spaces.
Commissioner Burke said his concern is with the depth of the space
being reduced even though we have a bigger drive aisle. Mr. Panfil
referred to the diagrams and noted the proposed overall module width
is three foot (3’) two inches (2”) less than the existing module width,
approximately six percent (6%) narrower.
Commissioner Mrofcza expressed concern over the drive aisle area
and referred to the diagrams. He stated if more vehicles are going to
stick out into the drive aisle area, it will reduce the size of the aisle.
He indicated staff is assuming everyone is going to pull up all the way
into the space.
Commissioner Cooper asked how many times we have businesses
and developments ask to exceed the required parking amount. Mr.
Panfil explained it often depends on the characteristics of the lot.
Commissioner Sweetser referred to the new text proposed in 155.602
(B) that eight foot (8’) three inch (3”) slots in certain areas is not an
adequate size. She stated that there are dinged doors because the
spaces are so close. She said if you are going to contemplate having
a section for compact cars, perhaps contemplate having a section for
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larger cars. It does not matter if it is a commuter parking lot. It
matters in the use, if you can get in or out of your car and if your car is
going to be damaged in the process.
Commissioner Cooper suggested making a recommendation to table
the issue until next month and proposing staff come back with
additional information and local examples where the proposed
standards exist.
Commissioner Burke noted the main issue of petition is the widening
the aisle and shortening the stall. Mr. Panfil agreed.
Chairperson Ryan asked if anyone wanted to make a motion.
Commissioner Cooper stated that she is in favor of tightening up our
parking module specifications for storm water purposes. However,
she is concerned with the grates and bumpers of the cars hitting the
curb stop.
Commissioner Burke asked if staff, the Engineering Department, and
the Fire Department are all in support of the amendment. Mr. Panfil
said that they are all now in agreement and the proposed drive aisle
widths exceed those which were originally requested by the Fire
Department.
Chairperson Ryan asked the Commission if they would continue,
accept, or deny the petition.
A motion was made by Martin Burke, seconded by Andrea Cooper, that this
petition be recommend for approval to the Corporate Authorities. The motion
carried by the following vote:
Aye: 4- Ronald Olbrysh, Martin Burke, Ruth Sweetser, and Andrea Cooper
Nay: 1- John Mrofcza
Absent: 1- Stephen Flint
Business Meeting
The business meeting convened at 8:12 p.m.
Approval of Minutes
On a motion by Commissioner Sweetser and seconded by
Commissioner Olbrysh the minutes of the December 16, 2014 meeting
were approved by a 5-0 vote.
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Public Participation
There was no public participation.
DuPage County Hearings
There were no DuPage County hearings.
Chairperson's Report
Chairperson Ryan referred to the memo regarding the Plan
Commission reschedule the March 17, 2014 meeting date, as has
been done in the past. Staff is proposing to change the date to
Monday, March 24, 2014.
Chairperson Ryan asked the Commissioners about the date change.
The Commissioners agreed to change the date to Monday, March 24,
2014.
Planner's Report
Chairperson Ryan asked for a report on the County Board meeting.
Ms. Ganser gave an update to the County Board meeting. She noted
that in December of 2013 there was hearing regarding the Ken Loch
Donovan Homes petition to include rezoning and a planned
development. It was approved by the DuPage County Board.
Unfinished Business
There was no unfinished business.
New Business
There was no new business
Subdivision Reports
There were no subdivision reports.
Site Plan Approvals
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There were no site plan approvals.
Workshops
Comprehensive Plan Update
Ms. Ganser presented the workshop Comprehensive Plan Update
including the Westmore-Meyers Plan, to the Plan Commission for a
workshop session. She noted the Plan Commission may remember
reviewing the Comprehensive Plan in 2011 and 2012. Staff put the
project on hold for potential land use reviews of properties in the
Village’s planning boundaries, including Ken Loch. Staff is now ready
to bring the plan forward for review and comment.
In 2014, staff reviewed the 2012 update and made minor revisions.
Ms. Ganser explained a red-line copy is attached for review noting
revisions were kept to a minimum and include items such as: updated
data, notable events from 2012-present, reference to Complete
Streets, and grammatical changes.
Ms. Ganser explained staff will hold a public open house in winter
2014 to obtain comments and answer questions from the public. Next,
the full Plan Commission case and public hearing petition will be
brought forth at a later meeting date. Finally, staff will take the
Comprehensive Plan to the Village Board of Trustees.
Ms. Ganser asked if the Commissioner’s had any questions or
comments.
Commissioner Mrofcza asked about the red line copy on page four.
He questioned the timing of the open house and when the Update
would be brought forth to the Village Board of Trustees. Ms. Ganser
replied the Comprehensive Plan could get completed in 2014.
Chairperson Ryan asked if there were major changes made to the
Update. Ms. Ganser explained the concepts all stayed the same, no
sections were deleted. There were some grammatical changes and
some data updates.
Commissioner Mrofcza referred to page seven and asked if we have
an update on the demolition and new construction applications
through 2012. Ms. Ganser said she is still looking for additional
information and when she does it will be incorporated in the Update.
Commissioner Olbrysh made an observation that Ken-Loch is going to
be with us for a while. He referred to page thirty-three (33) regarding
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pursue annexation and open space and page thirty-one (31) regarding
open space opportunities. He noted this is contradictory of the
County’s decision. Ms. Ganser explained in 2013 the Village of
Lombard Board of Trustees voted to amend to open space plan to
allow assessor development in Ken Loch up to twenty-five percent
(25%).
Commissioner Sweetser referred to the recommended action sections
noting that when words like “encourage” are used it is very hard to
justify later on if you have encourage something or not unless there
are very specific tactics outlined. She explained the purpose of the
Plan is so you can measure what you have done or not done. She
asked if staff can help the Commissioners as they go forward to
understand what they mean by encourage. Ms. Ganser replied staff
can look at the Plan and see if there is other language to use.
Commissioner Cooper referred to page forty (40) regarding the
Complete Streets initiative. Ms. Ganser replied as more information
becomes available staff can update the Plan Commission.
Commissioner Sweetser referred to the charts on pages thirty-four
(34) through thirty-nine (39) regarding the recommend actions and
asked if there are any potential plans of accomplishing what should be
or not be annexed as well as a timeline. Ms. Ganser explained the
information was taken from an annexation strategies report from 2009
and she will look into adding a time line.
Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 8:25 p.m.
__________________________
Donald F. Ryan, Chairperson
Lombard Plan Commission
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William J. Heniff, Secretary
Lombard Plan Commission
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Agenda
Village of Lombard
Village Hall
255 East Wilson Ave.
Lombard, IL 60148
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Meeting Agenda
Monday, January 27, 2014
7:30 PM
Village Hall - Board Room
Plan Commission
Donald F. Ryan, Chairperson
Commissioners: Ronald Olbrysh, Martin Burke,
Ruth Sweetser, Andrea Cooper, Stephen Flint and
John Mrofcza
Staff Liaison: William Heniff
Plan Commission Meeting Agenda January 27, 2014
Call to Order
Pledge of Allegiance
Roll Call of Members
Public Hearings
130661 PC 14-01: 127 Eisenhower Lane South (Request to withdraw by
petitioner)
Requests that the Village grant a conditional use, pursuant to Section
155.420 (C) of the Zoning Ordinance, to allow for a Learning Center
(indoor athletic training facility) within the I Limited Industrial District.
(DISTRICT # 3)
140028 PC 14-02: Text Amendment to Village Parking Space, Aisle, and Module
Dimensional Standards
The Village of Lombard is proposing the following text amendments to
the Lombard Zoning Ordinance:
1) An amendment to Section 155.602 (A)(5), and any other sections for
clarity, adding provisions regarding the size of off-street parking spaces
designated specifically for business, employee, and compact vehicles;
and
2) An amendment to Section 155.602 (C), including Figure 6-1 and
Table 6-2, regarding specific parking space, aisle, and module
dimensional standards. (DISTRICTS - ALL)
Attachments: PC 14-02_IDRC Report.PDF
140028_BOT_022014_PC 14-02 Parking.pdf
Ordinance 6929 .pdf
Cover Page 140028.pdf
Business Meeting
Approval of Minutes
Public Participation
DuPage County Hearings
Chairperson's Report
Planner's Report
Unfinished Business
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New Business
Subdivision Reports
Site Plan Approvals
Workshops
Adjournment
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