Stormwater Commission
Regular MeetingNiles, IL · August 20, 2010
Minutes
STORMWATER COMMISSION
MEETING SUMMARY
Friday, August 20, 2010
The following persons were present: Richard Wlodarski, Scott Jochim, Andrew Vitale,
Steven Vinezeano, Chairman Joe Lo Verde and Mayor Callero. Also in attendance was
Jeff Wickenkamp of Hey and Associates and Public Services Superintendent Jerry
Doczekalski. Absent were Mousa Nazzal and Chuck Ostman.
I. Introduction: Vinezeano introduced Superintendent Jerry Doczekalski and
welcomed him to the meeting. Jerry was head of the Sewer Department for
many years. Vinezeano also used this opportunity to inform the Commission
that President Obama signed the disaster declaration for Cook County to help
residents who had loses during the rain of July 24th, 2010. Once this
information was known, staff immediately contacted all known flood victims
with the FEMA Hotline number. This information was also posted on the
general website, Commission website and Channel 6.
II. Progress Update by Hey: Jeff Wickenkamp provided details of the
field/engineering work completed to date by Hey and Associates. During June
and July, most of the work was on Task One “Review Data and Identify Data
Needs” and Task Two “Conduct Sewer System Analysis and Modeling.” Task
One was completed as per the Scope of Services and Task Two is now moving
right along. Field collection of invert data and 200 to 300 structures was done
and finished early due to the help of Public Services. Some additional data may
be needed at a later date for clarifications on special structures.
Jeff stated he had the first cut of the overland flow paths, but unfortunately he
failed to bring it in his haste to get to the meeting. This final data will provide
clues to solutions, whether they are less expensive overland or more substantial
infrastructure.
III. Regulatory Program Review: (see handout) During this discussion, the Chair
brought up the issue of plan review at the Zoning Board level. He is concerned
that significant developments do not provide detailed engineering plans
showing what the development is doing with their stormwater. This is a policy
decision and requires additional study. The concern voiced by the Commission
was the cost of such a policy change. Would the upfront costs reduce the level
of work being proposed in Niles? What do other towns do?
a. Comments on existing ordinances & recommended amendments.
i. Ch. 50 – Floods. This regulation contains what the Village must do
to allow residents to purchase flood insurance. It is related to NFIP.
The ordinance is in order. There was a question regarding
“Requires 1:1 fill/compensatory storage ration.” Is it 1:1 or 1:5?
Jeff to check on this.
ii. Zoning Ordinance-Section VII Residence Districts. This regulation
discusses limited impervious areas, but there is no definition. It was
recommended and approved by the Commission after some
discussion to recommend the Board of Trustees amend the
ordinance by adding: Impervious Area – Surfaces that do not
readily allow for the penetration of rain into the ground, and include
but are not limited to rooftops, paved areas and graveled areas.
iii. Ch. 18-IX Fences. This ordinance was in order.
iv. Ch. 18-XI Grades. The language within Sec. 18-323 (h) of Ch. 18-
IX Fences could be reworded and used in this chapter: “No
proposed grade shall impede or divert the flow of water through any
property unless by proper investigation it can be shown to the
satisfaction of the director of public services that the grade will not
adversely impact any adjoining property owner and will contribute
to an improvement in the overall drainage system.” Also, it is
recommended that the Commission consider establishing foundation
height and lowest adjacent grade elevations based on future
inundation mapping.
v. Ch. 102-Sewer Use, Div. 1 Generally. This ordinance was in order.
vi. Ch. 102-Sewer Use, Div. 2 Connections and Construction. There is
a potential language conflict between (102-60 and 102 65): 102-60
states, “Foundation or footing drains connected to an outlet storm
sewer or outlet drainage shall be provided around foundations
enclosing basements or habitable spaces below grade, and such
installations shall be at or below the area to be protected.” 102-65
states, “Footing drains shall be connected to sump pumps and
splashed out to rear yard for further discharge into storm sewer or
drainage ditches wherever possible. No footing drain or drainage
tile shall be connected to the sanitary sewer system.” Also, shall
sanitary sewer in 102-65 be changed to sanitary or combination
sewer?
b. (b and c) Hey provided a summary of the draft MWRD ordinance.
Currently, MWRD is conducting an economic impact study on the
ordinance. Jeff estimates that the ordinance will be made law by January
2012. There was discussion regarding recommendations by Hey to
establish a Village of Niles Stormwater Management Program that utilizes
the draft MWRD ordinance as a beginning, but requires additional
regulation for Niles at lower thresholds. Vinezeano and Wlodarski will
provide Hey with example properties (existing and proposed) so that Hey
can show how these developments would be impacted by the proposed
thresholds. Wlodarski is also gathering data for Hey on major construction
in Niles in past 3-5 years.
d. The Commission discussed NFIP compliance related to Niles’ Chapter 50-
Floods. A self audit will be initiated by Vinezeano. Are there any
violations since 1978?
IV. Community Rating System Program (CRS): If the Village self audit of Chapter
50-Floods is successful, the Village may pursue a CRS rating to reduce the cost
of flood insurance for residents. CRS is a voluntary incentive program that
recognizes and encourages community floodplain management that exceeds the
minimum NFIP requirements. Insurance costs could be reduced by 10 to 15%
by just submitting to a review. It was discussed that by providing for cheaper
insurance, more residents may purchase it. However, this only covers overbank
flooding events. Preferred Risk Flood Insurance would also be reduced for
homes that are in moderate-to-low risk areas not in the flood plane. Vinezeano
will begin the process after a thorough review of Chapter 50 compliance.
V. Open Discussion:
a. Update for ongoing projects. Jochim stated that Maryhill work is up for
bid. He is not aware yet whether or not they took into consideration his
recommendations for a swale along Monroe. When the final plan is
available, Hey would like it for the modeling. Greenwood has no update.
Renaissance is under review by Gewalt Hamilton. Joe LoVerde discussed
improvements to Nico Park and stated that Jonquil is still an issue that will
require Village assistance to reach a sewer system.
b. Review of 7/24 storm and some key locations. Thirty homes reported
basement flooding caused by failed sumps, sewer backup, and in some
cases simply failed home systems. Out of the thirty, sixteen completed
Cook County Initial Damage forms and will most likely contact FEMA for
assistance. There were a number of flooded streets and yards, but overall,
based on the volume of water that fell, there was not as much damage as
expected. This most likely has to do with the lack of ground saturation
before the rain event.
(Slides of Locations Used)
i. Oriole. Resident had sewer water coming out of tub and toilet
on first floor (bi-level). Community Development visited the
location to find some issues with the sump. Superintendent
Doczekalski stated that he assisted in that location about five years
ago and the resident had a root problem. Was that an issue this
time? When did she last clear her lateral? It was also thought by
Community Development that the street flooding may have
overwhelmed her overhead sewer system.
ii. Bruce Drive sanitary sewer was backed up to the MWRD Outfall.
OLR field work had limited success, depending on who you speak
with (Father Chris or ). Just north on Sunset and Stolting
there were at least two homes with basement flooding. Sunset Road
was flooded and Stolting has issues with property sewer
system. Public Services could not trace dye from a drain near where
water entered the basement.
iii. Nora Avenue had a number of homes in the area with sewer backup.
It was discovered that a parking development within the last few
years may not have installed a required 2” restrictor that would
cause the parking lot to flood. Public Services is working to clear
up the issue, but in the meantime placed a 4” restrictor in the sewer
basin near the homes across the street form the parking lot. This
may cause water to build up on the road now, but hopefully reduce
the surge that causes backup.
iv. Western Avenue has been an ongoing problem since 2008
flood. Recently, Public Services spent many hours cleaning and
hauling away 30 loads expanding the ditch system next to the home.
The system cannot be made larger and the water is coming from
Unincorporated Cook County. Could this home be an option for
FEMA buyout?
v. Grace to the north by Glenview. At least two homes experienced
flooding due to sump failure and power outage. Jochim stated that
he has done what he can to encourage Glenview to assist by
redirecting the water. He mentioned a possible cul-de-sac to block
the water as was eligibly done by Park Ridge to block water from
Des Plaines. Hey stated that may not be an option legally. The
Mayor requested that Jochim place it in writing to Glenview now
and pursue it formally.
vi. Elizabeth Avenue. Several multi-family homes had sewer backup
due to a clog in the sanitary sewer. This is the second time and they
believe it is due to flooding. Public Services stated it is due to
clogging from grease or other foreign objects that do not belong in
the sewers. Public Services monitors the location monthly now due
to the meeting with the building owners. One of the owners is going
to pursue overhead sewer. One does not want to pay the cost.
vii. Elmore flooded near Dempster damaging an auto on the street.
viii. Ottawa. They had sewer backup for the first time since at least
2008 flood. They claimed it was from the Notre Dame
improvement. Dye tests were completed to prove no pipes from the
Notre Dame project were connected. Community Development sent
them a letter outlining some of the problems with their home
system. In addition, this slide sparked discussion of how Public
Services will ensure personnel on the ground get sewer updates to
GIS. New sewer maps will be printed (7 or so) and placed in each
truck. Superintendent Jerry Doczekalski will work with Vitale to
develop a plan for future updates.
VI. Next Scheduled Meeting: TBA
Agenda
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Village Manager’s Office
1000 Civic Center Drive, Niles, Illinois 60714
Mayor Telephone (847) 588-8000 ● Fax (847) 588-8051 ● TDD (847) 588-8059
Robert M. Callero
Trustees
Chris Hanusiak PUBLIC NOTICE
James T. Hynes
Joe LoVerde
Louella B. Preston
Andrew Przybylo
Alan Weel
The Stormwater Commission will meet on Friday, August 20th at 8:30 a.m. in
Village Manager Conference Room 218 of the Niles Village Hall, 1000 Civic Center Drive, Niles,
George R. Van Geem Illinois.
Village Clerk
Marlene J. Victorine
Steven C. Vinezeano
Assistant Village Manager
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