Harbor Commission (Application Review Committee)
Regular MeetingNorwalk, CT · December 16, 2020
Minutes
CITY OF NORWALK
HARBOR MANAGEMENT COMMISSION
APPLICATION REVIEW COMMITTEE
DECEMBER 16, 2020
VIA TELECONFERENCE
The Chairman reserves the right to change the order of the agenda
ATTENDANCE: John Romano, Chair; John Crespo; Laurie Jones; Alan Kibbe;
Jeffrey Mangels; John Pinto; Christopher MacDonnell (6:12 p.m.);
Dennis Santella (6:12 p.m.)
OTHERS: Greg Scully, Harbor Master; Michael Silva, Norwalk Marine
Police; Geoff Steadman, Consultant; Steve Bartush and Pete
Johnson, Shellfish Commission; Joe Schnierlein, Water Quality
Committee
1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE
Mr. Romano called the meeting to order at 6:05 p.m. and led the Assembly in reciting the
Pledge of Allegiance.
2. ROLL CALL
Mr. Romano called the Roll as indicated above.
3. APPLICATION REVIEW COMMITTEE – Dr. Pinto
There were no applications reviewed this evening.
Dr. Pinto said he received a request for a pre-application review. He will send comments
to the applicant by Friday.
6. SHELLFISH COMMISSION – Johnson and Bartush
Mr. Bartush reported that last Wednesday, it was reported to him that the DOT was
dredging during an outgoing tide. The silt curtains were inadequate. He said there was
an investigation and he sent his documentation to the State.
Mr. Bartush said there was a flag posted, indicating a diver was in the water, but the
Police were not notified as required. In addition, a safety boat showed up, but then left.
Mr. Santella and MacDonnell joined the meeting at 6:12 p.m.
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Mr. Bartush reported that new maps and permits were being printed.
4. CHAIRMAN’S REPORT – Romano
Mr. Romano said the only new issue is the DOT issue with dredging and that the Police
were not notified so they could provide support.
a. Introduction of new Harbor Management Commissioner, Laurie Jones
Mr. Romano welcomed Ms. Jones to the Harbor Management Commission. Ms. Jones
reviewed her background and experience.
5. STAFF REPORTS
a. Harbor Master – Scully
Mr. Silva discussed the DOT dredging issue. He said he sent a video to the Commission
and the Mr. Johnson. He said that the work had to be done during an outgoing tide, but
according to the time stamp, that is not when the dredging took place. He said that at one
point, there were signs up that divers were in the water and there was construction going
on, but the Police were not notified. In addition, there was no safety boat there; it came
and then left. He said dredging is supposed to take place during an incoming tide.
Mr. Scully said that he tried to contact Chandro regarding the dredging, but no one has
responded to him.
Mr. Johnson commented that this is a small job and if they are messing up now, what is
going to happen when they start the big stuff.
Mr. Romano agreed with Mr. Johnson. He noted that this Commission has been
cooperative and pro-project.
Mr. Silva said that several people saw the dive flag displayed, which would indicate it is
a dive zone and that they are supposed to have Police present. Mr. Romano said that
agreement goes back three years.
Mr. Steadman said that about five years ago the Commission recommended that a project
manager be hired to be a liaison between the Commission and the DOT with respect to
the plan. He asked if it would be worth looking at hiring someone. Mr. Romano said that
was a good idea and that the Commission needs to be proactive. He said they need
someone who will be paid by the State and chosen by the Commission. He noted that
this project has many components to it.
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Mr. Romano said that he understands that the Public Works Department is part of the
contact, but he cannot get anyone from Public Works to interact with the Commission.
Mr. Steadman said he will give some thought to this position.
It was noted that the Commission does not get regular updates. Mr. Romano said that no
one was notified that the project was going to start. Mr. Bartush said the DOT started
dredging for the cable and were off loading material into dump trucks. Mr. Santella
agreed that there needs to be someone overseeing the project.
Mr. Johnson said that Jeffrey Knapp wanted to have an in-person meeting, but he
declined because of Covid. Mr. Johnson said he believes Mr. Knapp is an environmental
engineer and that he is a long time DOT employee.
The Commissioners continued discussing the issue with dredging and the DOT not
following appropriate protocols.
The Commissioners agreed to draft a letter to various people, including Mayor Rilling
asking that they advocate on behalf of the Commission for a person to oversee the
project. Mr. Steadman will revisit the letter submitted five years ago and make some
revisions.
Mr. Steadman noted that the former Director of Public Works indicated that they did not
have the resources to oversee the project. Mr. Romano added that their resources are
even thinner now. Mr. Steadman said he will work on the letter and make it a priority.
Mr. Silva said that the permit requires notification of various departments and
commissions. It also requires having a Police boat present during construction. When the
crane is swinging, the Police boat is supposed to be there. The DOT agreed to have the
Police boat present, but Mr. Silva said he did not know why they went against the
agreement. He said having a member of the Police Dive Team on the boat would cover
the specifications. He added that the whole Dive Team are certified as Public Safety
Divers. He said that the DOT agreed to have a Police boat present and he does not know
why Chambro went against that.
Mr. Steadman said he wants a strong condition in the permit having to do with public
safety. Mr. Silva said that he and Mr. Johnson had a call from someone who said there
were rowers in the River at 6:00 p.m. when it was dark out. He said that it is a safety
issue if the rowers are out and the DOT is also there working. Mr. Romano commented
that if something happens and the Police are not there, the Coast Guard will ask why they
were not there. He said he will develop a letter and move this issue forward. He said
this Commission has always been consistent with its requirement; this project has many
moving parts and a lot of safety issues.
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7. COMMITTEE REPORTS
a. Mooring and Harbor Safety – Santella
Mr. Santella did not have any thing to report this evening.
b. Finance – Kibbe
Mr. Kibbe reported that he is working on the financials. Mr. Romano said that Mr. Kibbe
is working hard reconstructing and reconfiguring the financials to make them more user
friendly.
The Commission had $8,000 on November 1st and ended November with $7,100. Mr.
Kibbe said that one of the checks for the managed fields just came in.
Mr. Kibbe said he is working to familiarize himself with the financials.
Mr. Romano said there is a committee working on recognizing public access so they can
increase moorings and get it to where it was financially.
The Commissioners discussed the financials. Mr. Romano said Ms. Casey from the City
of Norwalk’s Economic Development Office has been working with Mr. Kibbe and
himself and has been very supportive. She is aware of how valuable the Harbor is.
Mr. Romano said Mr. Kibbe has been doing a terrific job.
c. Plans and Recommendations – Mangels
Mr. Mangels said he passed along to the Commissioners a plan for Harbor use. He said
they are meeting every Thursday and have a good plan going forward. The plan includes
transient moorings to bring in additional funds.
Mr. Romano said there is a lot going on and a lot of the projects start landward, but end
up water ward, but there are no inspection criteria. He said building start at Zoning. He
said the City should be collecting a fee for the construction of piers and bulkheads. He
suggested having a discussion with Ms. Casey.
Mr. Steadman said that the City is within its legal rights to require a permit for a dock.
Mr. Romano said they need to get a permit into the mix of things.
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d. Newsletter/Website – Kibbe
Mr. Kibbe reported that the Commission’s Facebook page honored Mr. Mobilia. He said
he reached out to people at The Seaport Association and The Maritime Aquarium to
discuss sharing information on their Facebook pages. Mr. Romano said everyone should
be linked.
e. Water Quality – Crespo and Schnierlein
Mr. Schnierlein reported that the problem with the water supply at the First Taxing
District has not been resolved. They do not know the source of the problem.
Mr. Schnierlein said that Sarah Crosby will join the next meeting of the Water Quality
Committee. She is going to explain what happens with the data and who can access it.
He said the interns are with the Health Department for three days a week and Harbor
Watch for two days a week.
Mr. Schnierlein said he had a lot of push from the media and private citizens about the
dead menhaden in the water. He explained that they can kill themselves because they live
in large numbers in a small body of water. They are very oxygen sensitive and are a
victim of their own circumstances.
f. Bridges
There was no discussion.
8. PUBLIC COMMENT
No members of the public wished to comment this evening.
9. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
October 28, 2020
** MR. GIFFORD MOVED TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED
** DR. PINTO SECONDED
** MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
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November 18, 2020
** MR. MANGELS MOVED TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED
** MR. SANTELLA SECONDED
** MOTON PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
Mr. MacDonnell said he spoke to a friend who is the Captain of the Armistad. He said
that it has never been to Norwalk Harbor. Mr. MacDonnell said they conduct programs
and that it would be a good idea to get on their travel schedule to visit the City dock. He
suggested that the Board of Education and the Harbor Management Commission could
sponsor the visit. Mr. Romano said this would be very appropriate but would have to be
coordinated with Parks and Recreation.
5. STAFF REPORTS (continued)
b. Consultant – Steadman
Mr. Steadman asked about presenting the Dunavan award honoring Mr. Mobilia. He said
it was agreed to create an outdoor interpretive panel.
Mr. Steadman said they did not have a State of the Harbor meeting this year. Mr.
Romano said they would not be having one this year.
Mr. Romano said it would be nice to make the Dunavan presentation to Ms. Mobilia in
person.
Mr. Steadman suggested creating a written State of the Harbor report. The
Commissioners agreed.
Mr. Steadman said he will write a letter to the DEEP as discussed earlier. Mr. Romano
said the Mayor has to be aware of this.
10. ADJOURNMENT
There was no further business and the meeting was unanimously adjourned at 7:27 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Rosemarie Lombardi
Telesco Secretarial Services
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