Land Use Committee
Regular MeetingNorwalk, CT · May 16, 2017
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CITY OF NORWALK
LAND USE COMMITTEE
May 16, 2017
PRESENT: Frances DiMeglio; Walter McLaughlin; Bill Dunne; Dave Davidson;
Steve Ferguson; George Tsiranides (arrived late); Nora King
(arrived late)
STAFF: Steve Kleppin; Frank Strauch
OTHERS: Bill Hodell; Atty Eric Bernheim; Tim Sheehan;
Frances DiMeglio called the meeting to order at 7:09 p.m.
I. REFERRALS: Review & recommendation
a) 8-24 Review – Board of Education – Cranbury Elementary School –
Asbestos abatement project (Acct. #C0595)
Mr. Strauch gave the commissioners a brief background of the project.
Mr. Hodell showed the commissioners a picture of the school and where the
asbestos would be removed because it could not be done in one summer. They have
applied for a state grant to help with the funds for the project. He hopes to meet with the
state to go over the application. Summer activities will be held in another building. No
one under 18 would be allowed in the building over the summer. Mr. Hodell said there is
asbestos in every school and there would be capital budget requests in the future for
funding. There is also training for maintenance workers if tiles are loose which have
asbestos under it. There was a discussion about the Capital Budget funding for
asbestos removal in the schools that are going to be refurbished in the near future.
b) Redevelopment Agency – Review amendments to the Land
Disposition Agreement (LDA) regarding Parcel 1, 2, and 4 of the Reed Putnam
Urban Renewal Plan – Amendment #4
Mr. Strauch explained the amendment to the Land Disposition Agreement which
was before the Planning Commission two years ago.
Atty Bernheim, special counsel to Norwalk, and represents the city in this project.
He explained how GGP has notified the city that it is impossible to build the project as is
and was requesting an amendment to the LDA. They have not been able to find a hotel
operator for the mall and it is too expensive to build. He gave the commissioners a brief
summary of these amendments. There was a discussion of whether there could be
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another use for the hotel such as office or housing units. However, those uses would be
less feasible than the hotel. He discussed the timeline and where in the process these
amendments were with the Common Council. He noted that these amendments were
necessary in order to keep the project moving forward as well as keeping their high end
anchor stores. The mall has to open by October, 2019. He asked them to review the
application in connection with the Plan of Conservation and Development (“POCD”).
There is concern that high end retailers may eventually go away because of
bankruptcies, etc. There was discussion about the language that had been changed at
the Planning Committee meeting of the Common Council the previous night. There was
a discussion as to whether the amendments were changing the project from mixed use
to single use. There was a discussion about the feasibility of the hotel and whether the
amendment was feasible. Ms. King said she understood the decision to remove the
hotel from the project. However, she was concerned about the requested text changes
which could include a high end entertainment center, grocery store or fitness center. Mr.
Davidson noted that he had requested a change to the Land Use agenda which was not
reflected in it. There was also a discussion about whether the amendment is consistent
with the POCD. Mr. Davidson thought they should discuss a re-definition of the mall as
well as a Class A mall.
At this point, Mr. Davidson handed out a packet of information to the
commissioners which discussed inline tenants and anchors in class A and Class B
malls. The LDA did define the Class A mall as $425 per sq. ft. which Atty Bernheim said
was for the inline stores and not anchor stores. Mr. Davidson said that if they redefine
the Class A mall, the city weakens its position. Atty Bernheim noted that GGGP would
try its best to have the very best tenants to make money. Ms. King was concerned that it
was not GGGP’s intent to place high end retail tenants in the mall when they were
adding language which including high end entertainment centers, fitness centers and
supermarkets. Atty Bernheim again reminded them to review the changes to confirm
that it was in compliance with the POCD.
There was a discussion about whether the mall could support a hotel structurally
if this amendment passed. Mr. McLaughlin said that he had received phone calls from
people who wanted to keep the hotel. Atty Bernheim said it could not be added back in
because once the foundation was done; it would not be able to support the hotel. There
was a discussion about the cost of building the mall and whether it was reasonable. Mr.
Sheehan of the Redevelopment Agency said they had an outside consultant review it.
He said the consultant found it reasonable.
Mr. McLaughlin made a motion to move to the next item which Mr. Ferguson
seconded. The motion passed.
c) #3-17R – Norwalk Land Development, LLC (The SoNo Collection) –
Proposed amendments to Section 118-100 to revise definition of mixed use retail
shopping center development to add public realm, commercial recreation and
cultural arts and entertainment facilities as additional permitted uses
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Atty Bernheim began the presentation by noting that the revisions to the
proposed amendment were self-explanatory but he further explained them to the
commissioners. There was a discussion about what types of additional uses would be
added to the language. They took a few minutes to confirm that the commissioners
were on the same page. There was also a lengthy discussion about which city agency
would approve a new anchor or new permitted use. Mr. Sheehan reassured the
commissioners that other city agencies would seek out advice from the Planning and
Zoning Department if they thought that a new tenant would not be in compliance. Ms.
King asked that specific language be added to the amendment to state that any future
tenant would have to come back to the Zoning Commission for approval. Mr. Strauch
reminded her that any tenant would have to come in for a permit. This was part of an
overall discussion about the checks and balances in place. There was some concern
about the high end retailers, etc. that could be added to the mall. Mr. Sheehan also
reminded them that they couldn’t be so inflexible that it would scare the financial people.
He said that he was not happy that there will no longer be a hotel on the project. Ms.
King said she did not understand how the developer did not realize that the hotel would
not be economically infeasible.
II. Plan of Conservation and Development (POCD)
a) Status report
Mr. Kleppin gave an update as to the hiring of the consultant for this project. He
went through the process that it would go through.
III. Redevelopment Plan Updates – Wall Street, West Avenue, and Washington
Street
Mr. Kleppin gave an update about what the consultant’s observations and visions
were for how things were going. He explained that the group was a good mix of people,
including local property owners. Ms. King did not think the consultants knew the areas
very well and needed to go there to understand them better.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:23 p.m.
Respectfully submitted by,
Diana Palmentiero
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Agenda
PLANNING COMMISSION COMMITTEE MEETINGS
**7 PM**
TUESDAY, MAY 16, 2017
P&Z CONF. RM – 2ND FLR – CITY HALL - 125 EAST AVENUE - NORWALK, CT
AGENDA
SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE
I. SUBDIVISIONS
a) Subdivision #3646 – Vernoy Properties, Inc. – 56 Chestnut Street – 2 Lots – Preliminary review
AGENDA
LAND USE COMMITTEE
I. REFERRALS: Review & recommendation
a) 8-24 Review – Board of Education – Cranbury Elementary School – Asbestos abatement project
(Acct. #C0595)
b) Redevelopment Agency – Review amendments to the Land Disposition Agreement (LDA)
regarding Parcel 1, 2, and 4 of the Reed Putnam Urban Renewal Plan – Amendment #4
c) #3-17R – Norwalk Land Development, LLC (The SoNo Collection) – Proposed amendments to
Section 118-100 to revise definition of mixed use retail shopping center development to add public
realm, commercial recreation and cultural arts and entertainment facilities as additional permitted
uses
II. Plan of Conservation and Development (POCD)
a) Status report
III.Redevelopment Plan Updates – Wall Street, West Avenue, and Washington Street