Zoning Commission
Regular MeetingNorwalk, CT · November 17, 2021
Minutes
CITY OF NORWALK
ZONING COMMISSION
November 17, 2021
PRESENT: Louis Schulman, Chair; Michael Witherspoon; Richard Roina; Galen Wells; Nick
Kantor; Marcela Sapone (arrived at 6:08 pm)
STAFF: Steve Kleppin; Bryan Baker
OTHERS: Hiram Peck; Mark Vertucci; Virginia Tartaglia; Diane Cece
I. CALL TO ORDER
Mr. Schulman called the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m. It should be noted that this
meeting was held on Zoom.com with all participants calling in, separately.
II. ROLL CALL
Mr. Baker called the roll. Mr. Schulman explained the rules of the public hearing.
III. PUBLIC HEARINGS
a. #2021-18 R/SPR/CAM – 25 Van Zant Street Condominium - 25 Van Zant
Street – Building zone text amendment to create a “vocational/trade (workforce training
center) school” use and to allow the use as a principal use in the Industrial #1 Zone in
conjunction with a proposed vocational/trade school within an existing structure
Mr. Schulman opened the public hearing and explained the application. Ms. Wells
recused herself which left 4 commissioners to hear and act upon this application. Mr. Roina
asked whether there would need to be four positive votes for the application. At this point,
Commissioner Sapone appeared on the call so there were now 5 commissioners.
Mr. Peck acknowledged that this was a continuation of a previous public hearing. They
had received questions from the last meeting as well as from the Zoning Department staff. He
discussed the parking and traffic issues which would also be addressed by their traffic
consultant. There was also a discussion about an easement which had to be clarified by the
DOT. There is a non-recordable easement but Mr. Peck has been working to obtain a
recordable easement. He had received an easement from the DOT which he believed would be
the desired document. It had been provided to the Zoning Department staff and the Zoning
Commission. He asked that it become a part of the conditions of approval.
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Mr. Schulman noted that there was a concern about using part of the area as a staging
area during the Walk Bridge project. Mr. Kleppin said that he had spoken with someone at DOT
who said that they would not be using it as a staging area during construction.
Mr. Roina noted that he had read the easement and found that it could be revoked by
the state at any time. He had concerns that if it was revoked this would affect the amount of
parking spaces at the site. Mr. Peck said that the easement had been there for many years and
that the DOT had no intention of revoking it. He also said that it did cut across about half of the
parking spaces. They had agreements with the properties across the street in order to fulfill the
parking requirements. He said that it had been a difficult process to obtain the easement but
believed it would still work. There was a discussion about the allocation of the parking spaces.
It would be revisited in a year to see how the parking situation is once the building is occupied.
Mr. Peck noted that fit-out permits would be completed once the building is completed.
This is one way that the city could check the parking to see if it is working well. There was a
concern that there could be more parking spaces needed once it has been approved. It was
discussed whether they could stop the total buildout of the property as the parking was being
monitored.
Mr. Peck said that they did not have problems with requested changes and comments
by the Zoning Department staff.
Mark Vertucci, the traffic consultant on the project, explained the plan modification
based upon staff comments. He oriented the commissioners as to the location on the site plan.
He also discussed traffic analysis. He noted there is a surplus of parking spaces at the
moment. He discussed ingress, egress, landscaping and the sidewalks. He discussed the
access driveways. There was a discussion about the fact that there seem to be 3 different
parking lots. Mr. Vertucci said that there would be signage along roadway frontages. He also
noted that there would be some office spaces in the development. He also discussed the
amenity zone. He showed them the parking lots across the street which would be the additional
parking.
Mr. Peck continued by noting that the plan had modified it as requested by the
commissioners and the staff. He said it was a unique opportunity to use this large building. He
asked that the commissioners pass the resolution drafted by the staff.
Mr. Schulman asked if there were any members of the public that would like to
comment.
Virginia Tartaglia, 32 Van Zant Street, noted that she lived and had a business at this
address. She also said that it was a busy street already. She explained that Osborne is a one
way street. There were many buses and trucks that congested the area. She also did not think
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that the signage would help. She thought there would be pollution from the vehicles in the area.
She suggested that the Norden site would be a better spot for this project.
Diane Cece, East Norwalk Neighborhood Association (ENNA), noted that some of the
documents were not on the website until late in the day. She also said that while this was a
needed project for Southern Fairfield County it would be a better location at the Norden site.
She said that she agreed with Commissioner Roina’s comments at this meeting. She had
concerns about the parking spaces which needed clarification. She also had concerns about
the number of curb cuts. She also noted that the Walk Bridge project would go on for 6 years.
She also had concerns about lines waiting for parking spaces as students left classes and
students came in. She had a concern about the easement. She said that ENNA had met with
the applicant in the early stages of the application. She said that ENNA would like to have
resolutions and condition lists before a public hearing.
Mr. Kantor noted that he had read the minutes of the previous hearing and he wanted to
review the change of service levels again.
Mr. Peck noted that there was a lot of traffic but they had no intention of narrowing the
right of way especially on Route 136. He then addressed the daycare situation and noted that it
was not a drop-off daycare for the public, but rather, for those working in the building. This
would not require additional parking spaces since parents would be there. He discussed his
meetings with ENNA.
Mr. Vertucci addressed some comments from TMP. Except for some comments about
the loading docks, they had no problems with them. He also discussed the level of service in
this area. If there were issues, they could make timing modifications. There was a discussion
about doing new traffic counts in the future.
There was a discussion about the 2 additional parking lots that are included in the
application.
The Planning Commission and DEEP referrals were read into the record. Mr. Schulman
closed the hearing.
IV. REVIEW AND ACTION ON PENDING APPLICATIONS
a. Action on item III. a.
Mr. Roina said he had concerns about the parking situation. He suggested approving a
certain amount of square footage and having an amount of parking spaces for that square
footage. He also had concerns about how parking would affect the neighbors.
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Mr. Kantor wanted to see the project happen but had a lot of concerns about the traffic
and parking in the area.
The commissioners did have concerns about the traffic and parking and considered Mr.
Roina’s suggestion. It was noted that it was difficult to know about parking since the developer
had no tenants at the moment. It did not seem that it would be a detriment to reduce the
square footage to see how the parking situation worked out. There was a discussion about
voting on the resolution at the next Zoning Commission meeting in December. There was a
further review of the text amendment language. There was also a question about Norwalk
Community College but it was noted that it is regulated by the state.
Mr. Kleppin asked that the commissioners not vote on this resolution at this meeting so
that the staff could re-draft it, especially after these discussions. They could vote on it at their
next meeting. There was also a discussion about the text amendment changing the zoning in
different areas. There was a discussion about adding items to the special meeting agenda in
December. Mr. Kleppin said it would be fine. The combined Planning and Zoning Commission
would not happen until January 11, 2022.
There was another discussion about the easement that was on the property and how
many spaces they could lose if it was revoked. The item would be left open until the next
meeting.
V. DISCUSSION OF OTHER ITEMS
a. Fee Schedule
Ms. Wells returned to the meeting. Mr Kleppin noted that the zoning fees had not been
changed in 4 years so the Zoning Department would like to have revised fees to share at the
next meeting. They would also do a comparison to surrounding towns.
b. 2022 Planning & Zoning Commission schedule
Mr. Schulman said that he had checked the schedule for the holidays.
* MR. WITHERSPOON MOVED: to approve the 2022 Planning & Zoning
Commission schedule, with one change of September 1, 2022 to September 8, 2022.
Mr. Roina seconded.
Louis Schulman; Michael Witherspoon; Richard Roina; Galen Wells; Nick Kantor;
Marcela Sapone approved.
No one opposed.
No one abstained.
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c. Discussion of Planning Commission roles and functions
Mr. Schulman said that the Zoning Commission would end in early January. A new
combined P&Z would be set up then. If any of the commissioners would like to serve on the
commission they should let the Mayor know. Members would have to be approved by the
Common Council in December.
Mr. Kleppin explained how the Planning Commission operated since the Zoning
Commissioners could be on the combined commission. He showed them a paragraph from the
city code to help explain the Planning Commission's function. He discussed 8-24 applications
as well as other administrative actions. There was also a discussion of subdivisions which Mr.
Kleppin noted that the Planning Commission would confirm that the application met the
regulations. There was also a discussion about the Capital Budget process which would be an
additional workload. He noted that the combined commission would occur as the budget
season was in January and February. He did note that there would be a way to streamline the
process. Departments would have to reference the POCD to make sure the requests are
appropriate and meet the city’s goals. He said there would probably be a separate sub-
committee for the Capital Budget process. They would make recommendations to the
combined Planning and Zoning Commission.
VI. COMMENTS OF DIRECTOR
Mr. Kleppin noted that the first meeting of the Industrial Waterfront Committee had been
the previous day.
VII. COMMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS
Mr. Schulman said that the East Norwalk Neighborhood Association (ENNA) had asked
that the East Norwalk Village plan not be voted on. He said that it had been worked on for
months and that there had been public comment. He also noted that it would have to be done
over because the Planning and Zoning Commissions were to be combined in 2022. He said it
did not make sense to delay. Ms. Wells agreed that the public had input from the beginning,
including ENNA. It was noted that they were implementing the recommendations of the POCD.
Mr. Roina thought that there should be more clarity on the bonus/amenity points. The other
commissioners felt they should complete the process.
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VIII. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 4, 2021
** MR. ROINA MOVED to approve the November 4, 2021 meeting minutes.
Mr. Witherspoon seconded.
Mr. Roina seconded.
Louis Schulman; Michael Witherspoon; Richard Roina; Galen Wells; Nick Kantor;
approved.
No one opposed.
Marcela Sapone abstained.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
Mr. Roina made a Motion to Adjourn.
Louis Schulman; Michael Witherspoon; Richard Roina; Galen Wells; Nick Kantor;
Marcela Sapone approved.
No one opposed.
No one abstained.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:22 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Diana Palmentiero
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Agenda
REGULAR MEETING AGENDA
ZONING COMMISSION
CITY OF NORWALK, CT
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2021 – 6:00 P.M.
* VIRTUAL MEETING TO BE HELD ONLINE *
Public Participation instructions below!
*The Chairman reserves the right to change the order of the agenda*
I. CALL TO ORDER
II. ROLL CALL
III. PUBLIC HEARINGS
a. #2021-18 R/SPR/CAM – 25 Van Zant Street Condominium - 25 Van Zant Street
– Building zone text amendment to create a “vocational/trade (workforce training
center) school” use and to allow the use as a principal use in the Industrial #1
Zone in conjunction with a proposed vocational/trade school within an existing
structure
IV. REVIEW AND ACTION ON PENDING APPLICATIONS
a. Action on item III. a.
V. DISCUSSION OF OTHER ITEMS
a. Fee Schedule
b. 2022 Planning & Zoning Commission schedule
c. Discussion of Planning Commission roles and functions
VI. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 4, 2021
VII. COMMENTS OF DIRECTOR
VIII. COMMENTS OF COMMISSIONERS
IX. ADJOURNMENT
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- 25 Van Zant St: https://www.norwalkct.org/2619/25-Van-Zant-Street
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